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You can't expect the guy to say much else. "Oh, I love the Wii, and hardcore games are the dumb. I tried to tell my bro to make Gears into a party game because that'd sell totally well, but that stupid noob didn't listen."

Not to say that large, complex games shouldn't be made, but I think I explained it here... maybe elsewhere... why only take risks on big games when you can supplement your income, your cash flow with smaller, cheaper titles. I think you'll see that the smaller titles won't all do awesome on the Wii, so abandoning deeper projects to feed only the casual won't be near as lucrative as feeding both groups.



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I've always thought of this myself. When Dragon Quest went from the PS2 to the DS, it definitely had me worried.

If FFXIV and MGS5 go for Wii, then there is trouble.

But then again, for the developers who want to make HD games, the Wii could be a crutch that they can fall back on so they don't go broke making the PS3/360/PC games.



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Whaat erks me is his logic works in reverse. Before the Wii, all dfevelopers focused on were big budget titles. Now you complain becuase they focus on another group. Who cares. DFevelopers always did this. Your just pissed they are doing this for another group. During the SNES/Genesis era everyone tried to make mascots. A lot of characters existed to make a platform game.

To be honest, the man knows nothing of what he speaks of. He's on the level of idiot forum poster(expecially how he comes to the conclusions. Intead of looking at sales trends, he sees one old person buy a Wii. OH NOEZ11). I mean, he's a sports blogger for pete sake. That and from looking at "Gearheads of War"(which I see as a hype machine) he's biased to this game. He compaired to to Starwars. That alone losed a good 50% credability(makes you look like a fanboy).

Man gets to much atention and knows nothing of the industry. The Wii is doing well. But, hey people still buy the 360 and it's sold more then the Wii. but, yeah, whatever.



I think this specific paragraph deserves emphasis, because it's the meat of his argument and several people here may have missed it:

I'll repeat this again: I am not saying that the more hardcore games are going to die out. Smart developers and publishers will realize that they can make a mint off the hardcore, especially if more developers move towards the quick, jump in-jump out type of experience that many Wii and DS games offer. But they will be in the minority. Valve, Epic and others won't turn to making mini-game compilations, but I can definitely see companies like EA and Ubisoft realizing that they don't need huge development teams and hundreds of people working on a game to make a ton of cash in the land of mini-game moneymakers. It's like suddenly discovering that business plan behind McDonald's is applicable to video games.

He's not saying that the Wii's dominance will put an end to hardcore gaming as we know it, he's saying it simply may dilute the pool. If there were 100 hardcore games last generation that were rated 7.5 or above, there will be 80 this generation, and they may have smaller funds to pull development from. That's what he's afraid of, and his fears aren't entirely unjustified. That just may happen.

However, it's inredibly selfish. Even he admits that this is only a dilution, not an elimation; basically he'd rather keep all of his precious games than give up 15-20 percent of them and bring in tens of millions of new users.

Here is my stand, and please, tell me if you're with me -- I will gladly give up 15 percent of my "hardcore" games if it means the videogame market I love is no longer seen as a puerile preoccupation for dorky, antisocial boys. If this brings legitimate artists into the foray that write better dialogue than Gears of War has (which was alluded to in this post; it's good for a video game, but trite and preposterous for any fully established  art form such as novels or movies), I'm happy. 

I would rather be a niche in a giant market than an important player in a niche market. 



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Stream of morons melting down confirmed!
Man, this console gen, I'm glad I joined the forums (thanks to the Wii).
That's meltdowns after meltdowns, I ROFLLMAO constantly with all these people running scared on their blogs and forums, all because of the Wii. If I loved popcorns, that would be popcorn every night.
Man that's funny. And these are the same people saying the Wii is no revolution.
These anti-Wii people will realize what happened 10 years late I guess.

Keep posting these, that's not the first one, and I think it won't be the last. It could even be MS classic astroturfing, I would not be surprised if it were.
Wow, these people are so funny, really, don't stop quoting them.



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Maybe thanks to the new market, companies actually start to make more creative IPs that don´t involve blood and lots of violence. I´m sure most Wii owners will get games from known companies as long as they are decent, including those super casual gamers. Advertising is key here.
Games like MGS, FF, DMC can stay in the hardcore machines, and spawn more sequels for them. Wii can get good spinoffs ( like FF:CC Wii is supposed to be) and new IPs, which can actually grow with Nintendo, like the others did with PS. That way, hardcore gamers will be pleased, and the expanded audience may get more involved.



The worst part of this awful article is he trying to sound like a credible analyst. Playing Zelda or any old classic game dont makes you a videogame specialist. And what about the developers giving up games as we know to make party games or games for the grandmas. So Capcom would ditch Street Fighter, Megaman, Resident Evil, Onimusha, Viewtifull Joe, Breath of Fire and many others great franchises to start making cat breeding games and sports games. Konami would give up Castlevania, Metal Gear and Silent Hill to develop life simulators. Even Nintendo would focus more on Brain Age games than on Mario. Why would game companies abandon what they do best to go into a new yet not fully developed gaming genre. I dont see companies giving up their projects to release a guitar hero clone just because they were very succesfull among casual gamers. I know the writer says that this is more likely to happen with companies like Ubisoft and EA. But these companies are well know to follow trends and go where the money is. Just look at their pathetic attemps of GTA clones. They already make dozens of crappy games not oriented for hardcore gamers. Harry Potter is one that comes to mind first.There is also Pooh Party Games, Simpsons Wrestling, Trollz Hair Affair, Petz: Dogz 5Catz5 Compilation. The truth is that he is angry that the developers may focus on the Wii and give up some projects on the Xbo360.



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I agree... it will switch the focus of games from full experiences into shallow party/entertainment games. If the Wii wins.. we all lose great games in ever genre. RPGs next generation will be something like save the world by doing some stupid puzzle, not fighting, gaining experience, collecting new weapons. Nope solving puzzles or something. You might be able to walk a character around but wont have a battle system it will be a puzzle fighting system.... lame.

It will kill so many genres its unreal. MMOs would die, RPGs would die, Racing.. will become stupid, FPSs will suffer from horrid controls, Sports... will die. Small party games, puzzle games, and other genres similar will grow. Who wants 1000000 Wii Sports or Wii Play like games? I'll quit playing console games and go back to PC where there will never be BS gimmicks like the Wii. Motion Sensing can be great but to much is a bad thing. The SixAxis is the perfect example of a balance between to much and to little.



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you all are going a bit overboard with this, wii wont have that big a affect.



Blue3 said:
you all are going a bit overboard with this, wii wont have that big a affect.


 its hard to say if it will or wont. Taking it in the worse case, Microsoft and Sony follows Nintendo's example next gen and destroys true console gaming. 

Just to clarify my last post. I'm not meaning that the large franchises will die or anything, their gameplay mechanics might change though.  



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