IT is funny that people thought all ps3 had to do is show up and it would just win this generation.now that 360 is holding its own now its when it will pass the 360.As far as i am concerned I think the 360 will keep holding its own and Ps3 will never pass 360 or wii.The last metal gear got outsold by halo in 2004 and who knows the way the wii is selling they might put ff13 on wii like they did Dragon Quest on Ds and futhermore Grand theft auto 4 is cross platform that was the biggest series on ps2.So Ps3 passing 360 in 08 is really not a given and it passing wii thats wishful thinking no system will pass wii.

First off, learn to read, FF will be lucky to be out in 08, and thats if it gets lucky, read the post then comment.

There are a few proven games here like you said fable two banjo and wolf. BUt does that mean that unproven wont be big hits?

You listed way to many cross platform games, and games which people dont give a danm about (drive 5 wtf?) i could of listed tons more of exclusive games, but i listed the games that PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.

YES ps3 has a better lineup so far, but to say that 360 sucks so bad that ps3 will just zoom right past it is just stupid. LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID ps3 fans have given up on 07, seems your trying to bash 360 and wii for 08, because thats where sony is concentrating on. IF no other games are announced for either system, id be very very suprised and would call both nintendo and microsoft dumb for that mistake.

Also again your stating that games push consoles, guess what wii and 360 have this fall. Games the size of what you just listed. But of course only ps3 has true console pushing games.

BTW why are you saying those 3 will outsell all of those, it may be true, but guess what halo 3 will sale compared to ALL ps3 games coming out. WHat i thought...... Keep ranting.

Ive posted many times in this topic. And again I will say:

The ps3 will pass the xbox 360 by August 2008. To be more specific it will hit 20 million on that date in World wide sales.

I would sure hope those games would of sold that many, on a console that sold 100 million, its not that huge even 20% attachment rate for all those combined. Even halo a single game was at 30%.

Now with 4 million total ps3 sold, id say each one sales 1 m? and thats being nice with a 25% attachment rate.

So i guess 3 million is alot.......

One thing that's always forgotten is that it comes to late to make a difference.

The major thing is a type of supression. As the generation continues, the amount of change in the market shares is less and less. As time goes on, the consoles will fit into how they have been doing. Basically, as time moves on, your chance of catching up is less and less. This is becuase consumers become more akin to one system. Your friend has a Xbox 360. Another has a Wii. They both like them. How likely are you to buy a PS3? The reconnicion increases, and people will start to know more about the market leaders. TV, magazines, friends family, newspaper, articles. They will start talking more about the market leaders. The people on the internet will talk more about the best system, becuase more of them have it. Bascially, the better you start off, the better you end. It's like a drag race. Your most importaint part of the race is your start up. Start well and you'll easilly win the race. Burnout and you'll inneviatably lose.

The other thing is that their games are only percived to be killer apps. MGS has been going downward for a while. The games are selling less and less. Their sales seem to be based on how qwell the PS2 did. They did well becuase the system did. Killzone 2 doesn't have name reconision. Ask anyone. They'll know Mario. Halo. Maybe Smash Bros. They won't know Killzone. Killzone is popular amoung gamers, namelt Sony fans. Sales will tell you that. Final fantasy is going down hill for a while. 12 did well, but it also had the PS2 and a large user base. Look at what SE has been doing. Spin offs out the wazoo. Theyu just aren't as profitable with the franchise as they use to be. How well can it do on a low user base? I bet the people who are most likely to buy these games, have the console already.

I think, most likely, the PS3 will never pass the 360. Compair PS3 to the 360. Theirn doing about the samer, but look ahead. The 360 jumps up. This is becuase of more softyware and the holiday season. Chances are, PS3 will not have that same jump. The system is just too expensive, and has nothing in the way of system sellers, while Nintendo and Microsoft have their big hitters. face it, PS3 isn't going to pull second, and I think therer are a lot of Sony fans holding onto a false hope.

You can usually see a 'big' game coming miles away, we knew of bioshock, halo 3, mass effect and gears upwards of a year before they hit the streets. right now, ms has a bunch of TBA games which can't or haven't been pinned down, but there's no indication that there will be a bunch of triple A games falling from the sky. it's not like ms is going to suffer, they do have alan wake, too human and huxley each probably showing up in Q1/Q2, it's just that it doesn't really hold a candle to games like killzone, metal gear solid, FFX13 (TBA), GT5 and littlebigplanet. Early 2008 will be playstation season. especially since we won't be seeing any of bungie for awhile as they'll be working on halo wars (console RTS's fail) and then have to develop their next 'halo'.

 i still don't think the ps3 will pass the 360 until 09 though. 

True, but what did MS have coming out besides Gears of war that was anything major? Like sony they were focusing on the next year, they really were, its kinda the same with nintendo.

I think both nintendo and MS should keep focusing on this years games, then in nov or something, announce other exclusives for next year (unless they dont have any -_-)

BUt your right, sony def has the best lineup for early 08, little doubt about that But i hate it when sony fanboys think "well 360 and wii dont have any games, ps3 is gonna sell 10 million and take the lead cause of these awsome games"  and they are right, they currently have the best games, but that doesnt mean wii and 360 dont have a solid lineup, just means they dont have the huge titles coming next year, its this year for them.

In case you didn't already know, Halo Wars is being developed by Ensemble Studios, makers of the Age of Empires games. They're quite an accomplished studio when it comes to RTS games. RTS games on consoles aren't my bread and butter but I'm sure Ensemble will put together a good game at the very least while it could be a great game.

so you're saying that the PS3 will sell max 10 million between launch and January 2008 (going by your sig), taking into account 2 holiday periods and the launch period, and then another minimum 10 million by August, at a rate of 1.2 million per month in the slowest period of the year? And this is if the PS3 gets a huge boost this holidayand doubles its total sales in just 2 months (ie, not likely). Going by your lower prediction (7 million) you expect 13 million PS3s sold in 8 months, or about 1.6 million per month, from January to August.

You need to recheck your maths. 

yea he's a little too optimistic, i expect 13-14 million at that time.

it's like saying a console would sell 10 million in it's first 9 months

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