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Poseidon said:
Gballzack said:

I'm simply the voice of reason here, at worst, the Devil's Advocate. The only thing to suggest bias in this thread is to think a price drop is even possible in the first place.

The burden of proof lies on who makes the initial positive claim and that is those in this thread suggesting a price drop is even possible. You don't make the initial statement ask them for proof when they question it, that's not how it works.


Yes, the voice of reason and the only thing being biased is this thread, and not the member whose reasoning is based on her bias towards a company.

F'n genius.


Your claims to the contrary are unsubstantiate and baseless, perhaps you'd like to offer some meat to the matter. I merely entered this thread to point out the obvious regardless my previous dispositions and have done nothing to show my own distain for the company in any of my posts here. Funny how you see anyone who dissagrees with the premise of this thread as being biased. Or are you hoping my previous comments in other threads will carry enough weight to dismiss what truth's I've brought to light in this one?



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FishyJoe said:

It's Sony's official position that there will be no price cut anytime soon. Just about every Sony executive has made statements consistent with that position. Along with Sony's own profit/loss estimates, there is plenty of evidence that a large price cut is unlikely soon.


Would you expect Sony to say, "Oh yes, we will be cutting the price this fall to coincide with our great selection of games?"

Can you imagine the NPD sales from now until price drop?

Corporate PR 101



Dolla Dolla said:
FishyJoe said:

It's Sony's official position that there will be no price cut anytime soon. Just about every Sony executive has made statements consistent with that position. Along with Sony's own profit/loss estimates, there is plenty of evidence that a large price cut is unlikely soon.


Would you expect Sony to say, "Oh yes, we will be cutting the price this fall to coincide with our great selection of games?"

Can you imagine the NPD sales from now until price drop?

Corporate PR 101


Now you're just making excuses after the fact to keep believing what you want. Sony could declare the PS3 a bunkrupt prospect right now and you'd still try to argue that it wasn't true. There's a certain point when it just becomes unreasonable to persist.



Dolla Dolla said:
FishyJoe said:

It's Sony's official position that there will be no price cut anytime soon. Just about every Sony executive has made statements consistent with that position. Along with Sony's own profit/loss estimates, there is plenty of evidence that a large price cut is unlikely soon.


Would you expect Sony to say, "Oh yes, we will be cutting the price this fall to coincide with our great selection of games?"

Can you imagine the NPD sales from now until price drop?

Corporate PR 101


As for the statements, all they would have to say is no comment or something equivalent. Happens all the time in business. 

Plus that still doesn't change their profit/loss estimates. By law, they are required to provide honest assesments. 



Gballzack said:
Poseidon said:
Gballzack said:

I'm simply the voice of reason here, at worst, the Devil's Advocate. The only thing to suggest bias in this thread is to think a price drop is even possible in the first place.

The burden of proof lies on who makes the initial positive claim and that is those in this thread suggesting a price drop is even possible. You don't make the initial statement ask them for proof when they question it, that's not how it works.


Yes, the voice of reason and the only thing being biased is this thread, and not the member whose reasoning is based on her bias towards a company.

F'n genius.


Your claims to the contrary are unsubstantiate and baseless, perhaps you'd like to offer some meat to the matter. I merely entered this thread to point out the obvious regardless my previous dispositions and have done nothing to show my own distain for the company in any of my posts here.


Listen girl, I have caught your ludicrous and ridiculous arguments and claims towards Sony in the past. This thread had arguments of why there might be one soon, why there won't be one in the not too distant future, and a few provided reasoning as to why they should, should not, will, and won't.

You did that....to a degree. This just made me turn my crooshairs to your attention:

"Stop kidding yourselves, a price drop isn't going to happen."

"No, they don't have a choice, they can't drop the price."

Any evidence that it is truly a fact that they are indeed locked in a "chicken-wing" and can't maneuver there way out of the jam they currently are in? 



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Poseidon said:
Gballzack said:
Poseidon said:
Gballzack said:

I'm simply the voice of reason here, at worst, the Devil's Advocate. The only thing to suggest bias in this thread is to think a price drop is even possible in the first place.

The burden of proof lies on who makes the initial positive claim and that is those in this thread suggesting a price drop is even possible. You don't make the initial statement ask them for proof when they question it, that's not how it works.


Yes, the voice of reason and the only thing being biased is this thread, and not the member whose reasoning is based on her bias towards a company.

F'n genius.


Your claims to the contrary are unsubstantiate and baseless, perhaps you'd like to offer some meat to the matter. I merely entered this thread to point out the obvious regardless my previous dispositions and have done nothing to show my own distain for the company in any of my posts here.


Listen giril, I have caught your ludicrous and ridiculous arguments and claims towards Sony in the past. This thread had arguments of why there might be one soon, why there won't be one in the not too distant future, and a few provided reasoning as to why they should, should not, will, and won't.

You did that....to a degree. This just made me turn my crooshairs to your attention:

"Stop kidding yourselves, a price drop isn't going to happen."

"No, they don't have a choice, they can't drop the price."

Any evidence that it is truly a fact that they are indeed locked in a "chicken-wing" and can't maneuver there way out of the jam they currently are in? 


Once again you're crying fire where there is no smoke, and its somewhat sad you're reduced to arguing my intentions because you simply can't argue the validity of the points I've brought up. If I'm really being biased shouldn't it be easy to argue down my points? This wasn't an issue of biased or unbiased until you showed up. And the topic was quite on tract too before hand as well.



I already said that the PS3 isn't moving and that people want a price cut. That card has been thrown at Sony's feet for a while now, and I said it would be dumb for them not to make a move.  I also said this isn't a company who has been spending it's time in the red, and that Sony's revenue aren't only dependent on its gaming division.

That was my argument. Nothing to indicate that it will indeed happen, but it might.

Your argument says a price cut is not feasible and it's only Sony fans wishful thinking; a price drop is out of the equation. Just because you say it a couple of times, an opinion will not become a fact.

Don't try that crap with me; the supposed running off-tracks.



Poseidon said:

1. I already said that the PS3 isn't moving and that people want a price cut. That card has been thrown at Sony's feet for a while now, and I said it would be dumb for them not to make a move.  I also said this isn't a company who has been spending it's time in the red, and that Sony's revenue aren't only dependent on its gaming division.

2. That was my argument. Nothing to indicate that it will indeed happen, but it might.

3. Your argument says a price cut is not feasible and it's only Sony fans wishful thinking; a price drop is out of the equation. Just because you say it a couple of times, an opinion will not become a fact.

4. Don't try that crap with me; the supposed running off-tracks.


1. And its already been pointed out quite thoroughly that your assumptions were unfounded and just wishful thinking. Sony has officially and in a legally-binding manner stated there will not be a price cut anytime soon. And each Sony branch also functions almost as an independent company so suggesting one would support the other is somewhat of a stretch. Sony offsets losses on the corporate level, on the branch level, each is left to fend for themselves.

2. Though we know it won't. Reiterating that this is your argument and not fact doesn't change the situation.

3. But facts have been provided to show it is not possible. A Price cut in Japan did not result in better sales. Sony has officially and legally said they will not be having a price cut anytime soon. That's pretty damning evidence, more than just opinion.

4. You were running off the tracks by trying to turn this into a discussion of character over subject matter.



Gballzack said:

1. And its already been pointed out quite thoroughly that your assumptions are wrong. Sony has officially and legally stated there will not be a price cut anytime soon. And each Sony branch also functions almost as an independent company so suggesting one would support the other is somewhat of a stretch.

2. Though we know it won't.

3. But facts have been provided to show it is not possible. A Price cut in Japan did not result in better sales. Sony has officially and legally said they will not be having a price cut anytime soon. That's pretty damning evidence, more than just opinion.

4. You were running off the tracks and trying to turn this into a discussion of character, not subject matter.


1.) I am aware of Fishey Joe's post and I wanted to respond. Sony officials have also indicated that there will be a price drop, and even Phil Harrison was asked, to which he responded, "No comment." Why would anyone make an announcement when it is not on some special showfloor? Sony officials have only left even more questions.

2.) No, no one knows for sure.

3.) Japan does not equal the whole world. Japan got their fix and now it's time for a few other places. Someone already mentioned that hardware is selling more than software. With that Fall line-up Sony has planned, I don't see why hardware and software won't be moved.

4.) Yes, because anyone who has stated that they would love to see Sony's demise should not have their opinions acknowledged when the discussion revolves on that very same company.



I agree with $200 being the mark but I'd bet my life savings that Sony won't move down on price before Microsoft. Sony and MS are the only 2 next gen systems out there so their strategies are going to directly reflect what their competitors are doing. Microsoft is going to be reluctant to lower their price until Sony does as they are just now at the point of break even or slight profit on each unit sold and they JUST launched the elite. If I had bought an elite at 489 and there was a $100 price cut 60 days later I'd have a fit. Besides that fact, there have been a couple of stories I've read - though I don't remember where - that there is pressure within Microsoft to move the gaming group into the black and soon. If they hold their price which seems likely they can given the strong fall software lineup, sony has no real incentive to lose even MORE than they are with a price cut. I guess it will come down to which one blinks first.



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