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curl-6 said:

AI data centres just shouldn't be built at all, they don't need to exist and are an obscene waste of resources that makes everything from power bills to consoles to phones more expensive, just to fuel the Epstein class's despicable wet dreams of being able to fire all their workers and make the other 98% of the human race live like serfs.

I don't know if discussing pirating is against ToS but if so so should anything pro Gen AI/Vibe coding. It's also just theft. 



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

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Leynos said:
curl-6 said:

AI data centres just shouldn't be built at all, they don't need to exist and are an obscene waste of resources that makes everything from power bills to consoles to phones more expensive, just to fuel the Epstein class's despicable wet dreams of being able to fire all their workers and make the other 98% of the human race live like serfs.

I don't know if discussing pirating is against ToS but if so so should anything pro Gen AI/Vibe coding. It's also just theft. 

Further reason people need to storm AI data centers and tear them down.



Norion said:
curl-6 said:

Less "revolutionised" and more "enshittified".

Endless mindless slop flooding the internet while power bills and electronics prices skyrocket, immense resources are wasted, and almost every aspect of society gets worse. 

AI is a plague.

How exactly is stuff like this emulator enshittified? Professional coders have gotten a huge productivity boost that'll only get even bigger next year while amateurs and even people who don't know how to code at all can now create software. Having a problem with the technology as a whole is fair enough but that is such an obviously good use case of it that this sort of reaction is unreasonable. 

I'm not saying it's all bad, but the the main issues I see are that (1) even the useful applications of AI fund and normalise its harmful applications, (2) it's an IP theft nightmare that will hurt game creators through their works being stolen and cos, let's be real, a lot of people are going to use this for piracy, and (3) it's just going to open the floodgates for a tsunami of low effort slop.



curl-6 said:
Norion said:

How exactly is stuff like this emulator enshittified? Professional coders have gotten a huge productivity boost that'll only get even bigger next year while amateurs and even people who don't know how to code at all can now create software. Having a problem with the technology as a whole is fair enough but that is such an obviously good use case of it that this sort of reaction is unreasonable. 

I'm not saying it's all bad, but the the main issues I see are that (1) even the useful applications of AI fund and normalise its harmful applications, (2) it's an IP theft nightmare that will hurt game creators through their works being stolen and cos, let's be real, a lot of people are going to use this for piracy, and (3) it's just going to open the floodgates for a tsunami of low effort slop.

The better approach is to oppose those harmful applications while supporting the beneficial ones. As the tech keeps getting more powerful regulation will become increasingly needed so that's how it can be guided towards the latter. For the last part I'd say that's well worth it for high effort projects getting a major boost. In general something becoming far easier and quicker to do will result in a lot more crap getting made and shared but most things that are already made aren't exactly good to begin with and it'll also result in more good stuff getting made as well. Basically 100 crappy projects is fine since 10 good ones are made as well so same goes for 1000 vs 100.



Norion said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not saying it's all bad, but the the main issues I see are that (1) even the useful applications of AI fund and normalise its harmful applications, (2) it's an IP theft nightmare that will hurt game creators through their works being stolen and cos, let's be real, a lot of people are going to use this for piracy, and (3) it's just going to open the floodgates for a tsunami of low effort slop.

The better approach is to oppose those harmful applications while supporting the beneficial ones. As the tech keeps getting more powerful regulation will become increasingly needed so that's how it can be guided towards the latter. For the last part I'd say that's well worth it for high effort projects getting a major boost. In general something becoming far easier and quicker to do will result in a lot more crap getting made and shared but most things that are already made aren't exactly good to begin with and it'll also result in more good stuff getting made as well. Basically 100 crappy projects is fine since 10 good ones are made as well so same goes for 1000 vs 100.

The problem is that the harmful uses and the slop content vastly, vastly outweighs the useful cases. If I had to guess it's more like 1 useful case to 1000 shitty ones.

And that's before we get into the tech itself stealing people's work, driving up prices, dumbing down society, and destroying the planet.



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curl-6 said:
Norion said:

The better approach is to oppose those harmful applications while supporting the beneficial ones. As the tech keeps getting more powerful regulation will become increasingly needed so that's how it can be guided towards the latter. For the last part I'd say that's well worth it for high effort projects getting a major boost. In general something becoming far easier and quicker to do will result in a lot more crap getting made and shared but most things that are already made aren't exactly good to begin with and it'll also result in more good stuff getting made as well. Basically 100 crappy projects is fine since 10 good ones are made as well so same goes for 1000 vs 100.

The problem is that the harmful uses and the slop content vastly, vastly outweighs the useful cases. If I had to guess it's more like 1 useful case to 1000 shitty ones.

And that's before we get into the tech itself stealing people's work, driving up prices, dumbing down society, and destroying the planet.

Even 1:1000 is being very generous. 



SanAndreasX said:
curl-6 said:

The problem is that the harmful uses and the slop content vastly, vastly outweighs the useful cases. If I had to guess it's more like 1 useful case to 1000 shitty ones.

And that's before we get into the tech itself stealing people's work, driving up prices, dumbing down society, and destroying the planet.

Even 1:1000 is being very generous. 

Yeah I was being very generous in the interest of having a good faith discussion. 



curl-6 said:
Norion said:

The better approach is to oppose those harmful applications while supporting the beneficial ones. As the tech keeps getting more powerful regulation will become increasingly needed so that's how it can be guided towards the latter. For the last part I'd say that's well worth it for high effort projects getting a major boost. In general something becoming far easier and quicker to do will result in a lot more crap getting made and shared but most things that are already made aren't exactly good to begin with and it'll also result in more good stuff getting made as well. Basically 100 crappy projects is fine since 10 good ones are made as well so same goes for 1000 vs 100.

The problem is that the harmful uses and the slop content vastly, vastly outweighs the useful cases. If I had to guess it's more like 1 useful case to 1000 shitty ones.

And that's before we get into the tech itself stealing people's work, driving up prices, dumbing down society, and destroying the planet.

I just don't think more slop content is an issue though. Like according to SteamDB over 20k games were uploaded to Steam last year which is double the amount compared to 2020 and quadruple the amount compared to 2016 but my experience using the platform hasn't been hurt by that at all cause it's not hard to ignore the bad stuff so I'll gladly take more good games getting made for even more bad ones getting made as well.

For bad uses in general again the solution here is to support regulation to crack down on the aspects you dislike. You can't uninvent technology so it's best to take advantage of the benefits of it instead of inherently opposing something just for using it, especially when said technology is becoming increasingly ubiquitous. AI in software development now means certain things that used to take months can now be done in days and there's a ton of good that is gonna arise from that.

People will do bad things cause of that too but I'll be opposing that while supporting the good stuff. The technology is becoming so powerful and broad that reacting negatively to something just cause AI was utilized isn't tenable long term when it's gonna be be used to help do things like develop cures for diseases.

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Norion said:
curl-6 said:

The problem is that the harmful uses and the slop content vastly, vastly outweighs the useful cases. If I had to guess it's more like 1 useful case to 1000 shitty ones.

And that's before we get into the tech itself stealing people's work, driving up prices, dumbing down society, and destroying the planet.

I just don't think more slop content is an issue though. Like according to SteamDB over 20k games were uploaded to Steam last year which is double the amount compared to 2020 and quadruple the amount compared to 2016 but my experience using the platform hasn't been hurt by that at all cause it's not hard to ignore the bad stuff so I'll gladly take more good games getting made for even more bad ones getting made as well.

For bad uses in general again the solution here is to support regulation to crack down on the aspects you dislike. You can't uninvent technology so it's best to take advantage of the benefits of it instead of inherently opposing something just for using it, especially when said technology is becoming increasingly ubiquitous. AI in software development now means certain things that used to take months can now be done in days and there's a ton of good that is gonna arise from that.

People will do bad things cause of that too but I'll be opposing that while supporting the good stuff. The technology is becoming so powerful and broad that reacting negatively to something just cause AI was utilized isn't tenable long term when it's gonna be be used to help do things like develop cures for diseases.

Slop is absolutely a big issue. People hate it and people are sick and tired of almost every platform being flooded with mindless AI garbage. 

Regulation is badly needed, yes, because the problem is ultimately one of human nature; even if something is potentially useful in some ways, most people are going to use it shitty ways because it hands bad actors the ability to do bad things more quickly and easily.

When a technology's applications are so overwhelmingly harmful and bad (like I say, I'm being generous in saying at 1 in a 1000 cases are good) it's just common sense that people will oppose it, especially when it is increasing making our lives worse.



curl-6 said:
Norion said:

I just don't think more slop content is an issue though. Like according to SteamDB over 20k games were uploaded to Steam last year which is double the amount compared to 2020 and quadruple the amount compared to 2016 but my experience using the platform hasn't been hurt by that at all cause it's not hard to ignore the bad stuff so I'll gladly take more good games getting made for even more bad ones getting made as well.

For bad uses in general again the solution here is to support regulation to crack down on the aspects you dislike. You can't uninvent technology so it's best to take advantage of the benefits of it instead of inherently opposing something just for using it, especially when said technology is becoming increasingly ubiquitous. AI in software development now means certain things that used to take months can now be done in days and there's a ton of good that is gonna arise from that.

People will do bad things cause of that too but I'll be opposing that while supporting the good stuff. The technology is becoming so powerful and broad that reacting negatively to something just cause AI was utilized isn't tenable long term when it's gonna be be used to help do things like develop cures for diseases.

Slop is absolutely a big issue. People hate it and people are sick and tired of almost every platform being flooded with mindless AI garbage. 

Regulation is badly needed, yes, because the problem is ultimately one of human nature; even if something is potentially useful in some ways, most people are going to use it shitty ways because it hands bad actors the ability to do bad things more quickly and easily.

When a technology's applications are so overwhelmingly harmful and bad (like I say, I'm being generous in saying at 1 in a 1000 cases are good) it's just common sense that people will oppose it, especially when it is increasing making our lives worse.

I have no issue finding good stuff to watch, play, read and whatnot thus it truly doesn't bother me at all so I can't really say much other than that's an aspect that I just can't relate to. At its core I suppose it comes down to me thinking the trade off of even just one good piece of art coming into existence thanks to increased ease is worth however many more low quality works that happen.

That mindset of mine also applies to the 2nd part. I place more importance on people being able to good things more easily and benefit from it than people being able to cause harm more easily. Like social media gets a lot of deserved criticism but I'm glad it exists for the people that have benefited from it.

I'd say the ratio of good to bad is way more balanced than that but we've gone into that before so no need to repeat that debate. The main thing is that I can't relate to the last part either cause AI hasn't made my life worse at all, in fact it's improved it somewhat so far. For opposition in general something important to keep in mind that it varies massively by country. Public sentiment in the core part of the Anglosphere leans negative but it's a lot more positive in other places like Asia so the technology certainly isn't making lives worse in general.

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