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Kyuu said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Maybe Sony is shifting from Disc to Game Cartridge, like the PS Vita.

Why would they shift to a much more expensive format? Game cartridges are in bigger trouble than disks. A 128GB PS6 cartridge could cost a small fortune in 2028. Unlike cartridges, discs aren't affected by the NAND crisis.

If disk manufacturing is becoming costly due to lower volumes, they should have made a $10+ gap between physical and digital just like Nintendo. This would have promoted digital more naturally and with a minimal outrage.

This move is meant to instantly force everyone into digital where they can theoretically make 35% more money per first party title, and twice more money for third party titles. Publishers like it too, as they no longer have to pay for manufacturing and retailers. Their tax pretty much goes from 50%~ to 30%.

I'm with everyone thinking they're not necessarily leaving physical media for good. They're very possibly just moving from disc to cart.

Here's why:

-Gamers are saying PS6 will be a hard sell for many reasons. SNY needs some new, cool, different stuff to offer. Game carts help solve that.

-PS5 got somewhat roasted for being too big and it's disc bulge. For PS6 a game cart slot helps solve that.

-PS6 will have a handheld model. Discs won't be an option for it on the go. Game carts help solve that.

-Disc to SSD transfer times are slow. SSD's are getting very expensive, especially the larger they get. Game carts help solve that. 

-Gamers in general want physical media to remain, some more so. SNY doesn't want to anger them too much. Game carts help solve that.

-SNY would prefer everyone to buy digital. A more expensive format, during a more expensive era, means game carts help to solve that.

I'm sure there's even more reasons that could be added, but you get the point. Game carts or something like it make a lot of sense.

SNY could go full blown digital only, physical customers be damned, but long term for the brand, game carts make sense, for another gen, or two.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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Man this really blew up, I'm even seeing mainstream news covering it.

Haven't seen this much backlash over a gaming issue since... shit, Xbox 2013 maybe?

Sony's original tweet has 114 million views and is ratio'd at 74K replies to 57K likes.

Sadly I doubt any of this will make them backtrack given the wheels are apparently well in motion, but they've really pissed people off with this.



EricHiggin said:
Kyuu said:

Why would they shift to a much more expensive format? Game cartridges are in bigger trouble than disks. A 128GB PS6 cartridge could cost a small fortune in 2028. Unlike cartridges, discs aren't affected by the NAND crisis.

If disk manufacturing is becoming costly due to lower volumes, they should have made a $10+ gap between physical and digital just like Nintendo. This would have promoted digital more naturally and with a minimal outrage.

This move is meant to instantly force everyone into digital where they can theoretically make 35% more money per first party title, and twice more money for third party titles. Publishers like it too, as they no longer have to pay for manufacturing and retailers. Their tax pretty much goes from 50%~ to 30%.

I'm with everyone thinking they're not necessarily leaving physical media for good. They're very possibly just moving from disc to cart.

Here's why:

-Gamers are saying PS6 will be a hard sell for many reasons. SNY needs some new, cool, different stuff to offer. Game carts help solve that.

-PS5 got somewhat roasted for being too big and it's disc bulge. For PS6 a game cart slot helps solve that.

-PS6 will have a handheld model. Discs won't be an option for it on the go. Game carts help solve that.

-Disc to SSD transfer times are slow. SSD's are getting very expensive, especially the larger they get. Game carts help solve that. 

-Gamers in general want physical media to remain, some more so. SNY doesn't want to anger them too much. Game carts help solve that.

-SNY would prefer everyone to buy digital. A more expensive format, during a more expensive era, means game carts help to solve that.

I'm sure there's even more reasons that could be added, but you get the point. Game carts or something like it make a lot of sense.

SNY could go full blown digital only, physical customers be damned, but long term for the brand, game carts make sense, for another gen, or two.

Sony literally announced it'll provide digital media only.

"Following this date, new games will be available on PlayStation Store and at retailers in digital formats only"

"This is a natural direction for Sony Interactive Entertainment to adapt to consumer trends as the general preference for digital media significantly outpaces physical discs"



BraLoD said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm with everyone thinking they're not necessarily leaving physical media for good. They're very possibly just moving from disc to cart.

Here's why:

-Gamers are saying PS6 will be a hard sell for many reasons. SNY needs some new, cool, different stuff to offer. Game carts help solve that.

-PS5 got somewhat roasted for being too big and it's disc bulge. For PS6 a game cart slot helps solve that.

-PS6 will have a handheld model. Discs won't be an option for it on the go. Game carts help solve that.

-Disc to SSD transfer times are slow. SSD's are getting very expensive, especially the larger they get. Game carts help solve that. 

-Gamers in general want physical media to remain, some more so. SNY doesn't want to anger them too much. Game carts help solve that.

-SNY would prefer everyone to buy digital. A more expensive format, during a more expensive era, means game carts help to solve that.

I'm sure there's even more reasons that could be added, but you get the point. Game carts or something like it make a lot of sense.

SNY could go full blown digital only, physical customers be damned, but long term for the brand, game carts make sense, for another gen, or two.

Sony literally announced it'll provide digital media only.

"Following this date, new games will be available on PlayStation Store and at retailers in digital formats only"

"This is a natural direction for Sony Interactive Entertainment to adapt to consumer trends as the general preference for digital media significantly outpaces physical discs"

Could just be plays on words.

-What does SNY consider physical vs digital? Discs actually spin and need physical movement to work. Game carts just sit still in a slot.

-PS Store doesn't sell game disc versions now does it? What if retailers can only sell digital but you can buy a cart version from the PS Store? It's implied that PS Store is tied to the same meaning as retailers, but that's not a guarantee.

-Physical discs may be an old trend, and digital is the go to trend, but the new trend is game carts in console gaming. Just like hybrid handhelds...

Again I could very well be wrong but it's just hard to believe SNY is legit pulling the plug.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
Kyuu said:

Why would they shift to a much more expensive format? Game cartridges are in bigger trouble than disks. A 128GB PS6 cartridge could cost a small fortune in 2028. Unlike cartridges, discs aren't affected by the NAND crisis.

If disk manufacturing is becoming costly due to lower volumes, they should have made a $10+ gap between physical and digital just like Nintendo. This would have promoted digital more naturally and with a minimal outrage.

This move is meant to instantly force everyone into digital where they can theoretically make 35% more money per first party title, and twice more money for third party titles. Publishers like it too, as they no longer have to pay for manufacturing and retailers. Their tax pretty much goes from 50%~ to 30%.

I'm with everyone thinking they're not necessarily leaving physical media for good. They're very possibly just moving from disc to cart.

Here's why:

-Gamers are saying PS6 will be a hard sell for many reasons. SNY needs some new, cool, different stuff to offer. Game carts help solve that.

-PS5 got somewhat roasted for being too big and it's disc bulge. For PS6 a game cart slot helps solve that.

-PS6 will have a handheld model. Discs won't be an option for it on the go. Game carts help solve that.

-Disc to SSD transfer times are slow. SSD's are getting very expensive, especially the larger they get. Game carts help solve that. 

-Gamers in general want physical media to remain, some more so. SNY doesn't want to anger them too much. Game carts help solve that.

-SNY would prefer everyone to buy digital. A more expensive format, during a more expensive era, means game carts help to solve that.

I'm sure there's even more reasons that could be added, but you get the point. Game carts or something like it make a lot of sense.

SNY could go full blown digital only, physical customers be damned, but long term for the brand, game carts make sense, for another gen, or two.

Discs solve all of that (except PS6 handheld physical games) and to a much better effect than cartridges. Sony never had a problem to be solved; they created one out of nothing. It's just pure greed and arrogance that they can do whatever they want and people will accept it after a short priod of outrage. Xbox's slow death is feeding into their confidence. They seem to think they have no real competitors anymore.

SSD and highspeed cartridges use the same underlying technology. Their prices are going up together. A 128GB PS6 cartridge sold in 2028 at $100 might net Sony only $20 ($50 cost + up to 30% retailer cut). This isn't a real solution. Discs were actually a huge advantage to Sony but they chose to discard it because they think most physical fans will shut up and adapt to digital which makes a lot more money. Not to mention it would eliminate trading.



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Yeah this is what happens when you don't have direct competition. 

The death of Xbox as a relevant platform means Sony are free to do what they want as they no longer fear losing their audience to the competition.



EricHiggin said:
BraLoD said:

Sony literally announced it'll provide digital media only.

"Following this date, new games will be available on PlayStation Store and at retailers in digital formats only"

"This is a natural direction for Sony Interactive Entertainment to adapt to consumer trends as the general preference for digital media significantly outpaces physical discs"

Could just be plays on words.

-What does SNY consider physical vs digital? Discs actually spin and need physical movement to work. Game carts just sit still in a slot.

-PS Store doesn't sell game disc versions now does it? What if retailers can only sell digital but you can buy a cart version from the PS Store? It's implied that PS Store is tied to the same meaning as retailers, but that's not a guarantee.

-Physical discs may be an old trend, and digital is the go to trend, but the new trend is game carts in console gaming. Just like hybrid handhelds...

Again I could very well be wrong but it's just hard to believe SNY is legit pulling the plug.

Sony is clearly talking about downloads, the second part quoted on my previous post very clearly talks about things already happening as consumers already preffer digital media (by their words).

Sony is pushing based on data from their own, there is no mistery here, GTA VI, the biggest game launch ever, is a code in a box, that's exactly what they are talking about.

Digital format only, following consumer trends (which means things already happening), there is no big play with words here.



Kyuu said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm with everyone thinking they're not necessarily leaving physical media for good. They're very possibly just moving from disc to cart.

Here's why:

-Gamers are saying PS6 will be a hard sell for many reasons. SNY needs some new, cool, different stuff to offer. Game carts help solve that.

-PS5 got somewhat roasted for being too big and it's disc bulge. For PS6 a game cart slot helps solve that.

-PS6 will have a handheld model. Discs won't be an option for it on the go. Game carts help solve that.

-Disc to SSD transfer times are slow. SSD's are getting very expensive, especially the larger they get. Game carts help solve that. 

-Gamers in general want physical media to remain, some more so. SNY doesn't want to anger them too much. Game carts help solve that.

-SNY would prefer everyone to buy digital. A more expensive format, during a more expensive era, means game carts help to solve that.

I'm sure there's even more reasons that could be added, but you get the point. Game carts or something like it make a lot of sense.

SNY could go full blown digital only, physical customers be damned, but long term for the brand, game carts make sense, for another gen, or two.

Discs solve all of that (except PS6 handheld physical games) and to a much better effect than cartridges. Sony never had a problem to be solved; they created one out of nothing. It's just pure greed and arrogance that they can do whatever they want and people will accept it after a short priod of outrage. Xbox's slow death is feeding into their confidence. They seem to think they have no real competitors anymore.

SSD and highspeed cartridges use the same underlying technology. Their prices are going up together. A 128GB PS6 cartridge sold in 2028 at $100 might net Sony only $20 ($50 cost + up to 30% retailer cut). This isn't a real solution. Discs were actually a huge advantage to Sony but they chose to discard it because they think most physical fans will shut up and adapt to digital which makes a lot more money. Not to mention it would eliminate trading.

No discs don't solve that.

Discs aren't new or different. Discs and drives are big n bulky. Discs are slow. Discs are cheaper.

SNY wants people to move to digital but they also want minimal customer loss. Carts speed up that process with minimal losses. More expensive game carts, without being outrageously expensive would push more people to resort to cheaper digital vs offering them cheap discs.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

curl-6 said:

Yeah this is what happens when you don't have direct competition. 

The death of Xbox as a relevant platform means Sony are free to do what they want as they no longer fear losing their audience to the competition.

That's true, but that's just part of it, what they are doing now Xbox started itself years ago, it's not like Sony is inventing a new way to screw people because they lack competition, they are doing the same Xbox did while Xbox was being buried alive by the very direct competition from Sony.

This is what the market wants to shift consumers to, Sony is just going all in and has way more weight than Xbox ever did to try to actually make it stick.

Xbox killed physical media in Brazil in 2023, that's 3 years ago, and Brazil was once Xbox third biggest market only after the US and the UK.

All those companies want the same thing, Xbox tried to go all in with in the digital, full control and always online future as early as 2013 when they felt they could do it as well, as they had massive competition from Sony as well.

So yes, lack of competition leads to worse outcomes, but it is not remotely close why Sony is doing it, as proved by Xbox more than once.



BraLoD said:
EricHiggin said:

Could just be plays on words.

-What does SNY consider physical vs digital? Discs actually spin and need physical movement to work. Game carts just sit still in a slot.

-PS Store doesn't sell game disc versions now does it? What if retailers can only sell digital but you can buy a cart version from the PS Store? It's implied that PS Store is tied to the same meaning as retailers, but that's not a guarantee.

-Physical discs may be an old trend, and digital is the go to trend, but the new trend is game carts in console gaming. Just like hybrid handhelds...

Again I could very well be wrong but it's just hard to believe SNY is legit pulling the plug.

Sony is clearly talking about downloads, the second part quoted on my previous post very clearly talks about things already happening as consumers already preffer digital media (by their words).

Sony is pushing based on data from their own, there is no mistery here, GTA VI, the biggest game launch ever, is a code in a box, that's exactly what they are talking about.

Digital format only, following consumer trends (which means things already happening), there is no big play with words here.

Maybe. We're eventually going to find out. Hope for the best outcome.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.