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ST.Tachyon said:
Davy said:

U.S. don't let rich countries and allys like Germany and Japan to have nukes and you expect they well let Iran in Middle East Area that has huge world oil and natural gas reserves.
This is naive and hilarious.

IF i am not wrong Germany is not capable to make one, and they are most likely afraid that Japan will nuke them for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Why anyone need Nuke?

Its to rule through fear.

In normal world no one would have Nukes, i mean why do you need weapon of mass destruction?

These weapons only exist to commit genocides

They have the knowledge to create nukes but they know U.S. won't let them for obvious reasons.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Darc Requiem said:

There is one terrorist regime in the Middle East with illegal nukes and it's not Iran. It's boggles the mind how International Law doesn't apply to Israel. How people can continually swallow the narrative when there has been lie after lie from them and their flunkies in the US is beyond me. As the video of Netanyahu I posted before shows, Iran has been "on the cusp" of nuclear weapons well over 30 years according them. If they were as close to nuclear weapons as Netanyahu and all of the US Warhawks backing him would have people believe they'd have them by now. Think, really think about the situation. These same people pushing this war claimed that Iran's Nuclear Weapons program was obliterated last June. They cart out this lie everytime they attack Iran and they gave gotten away with because people are too ignorant to pay attention. Although, thankfully, this has begun to change.

Side note: Do you also believe that Israel is a democracy too?

Israel is just as much of a backwards, embarassment of a country as any other in the Middle East. It's a religion-based country, founded on the idea that even though most of them left thousands of years ago, Jews are the only ones entitled to live in the Israeli/Palestinian region. And don't get me wrong. Palestine beleives the same thing about themselves. They just happen to be on the losing side of a conflict where both sides wish for Genocide. 

Israel's actions have resulted in a lot of issues. People forget that the Palestinians welcomed the survivors of the Holocaust with open arms. Literally opening their homes to them. The response of the Zionist movement was to reward that generosity with forced displacement and genocide. The "right to return" is a big joke by in large because the people returning aren't descended from those that were promised the land. The land was promised to the Hebrews. There is a reason they dont allow DNA testing. They don't want people getting wise to the fact that most of the Jewish people settled in Israel are not Hebrews but converts descended from Eastern Europe. Poland and Ukraine in particular. They change their names to sound more Hebriac. Here are a couple of the numerous examples. Netanyahu's father changed their family name from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu. The first Prime Minister of Israel, David Grün aka David Ben-Gurion, started and encouraged this practice. To top it off a lot of their leadership, like Netanyahu, are secular. They use the Jewish faith as a convenience to further their goals.

TLDR; Even by religious standards, they don't have a right to the land. The land was promised to the Hebrews. Most of the people that moved to Israel are descended from Eastern European converts. They've gone through great efforts to hide that fact. i.e. Hebriac name changes and banning of DNA testing. I.E. the Mileikowsky family changing their surname to Netanyahu. The crazy thing is that every time the IDF kills a Palestinian, they kill someone more genetically Hebrew than they are.

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Cerebralbore101 said:

Israel is just as much of a backwards, embarassment of a country as any other in the Middle East. It's a religion-based country, founded on the idea that even though most of them left thousands of years ago, Jews are the only ones entitled to live in the Israeli/Palestinian region. And don't get me wrong. Palestine beleives the same thing about themselves. They just happen to be on the losing side of a conflict where both sides wish for Genocide. 

That's a gross oversimplification conveniently sidestepping recent history.

Mass unnatural migration of Eastern European Jews to Palestine started in the early 1900's.

Jewish migration to Palestine in the early 1900s, driven by rising European antisemitism and Zionism, occurred in major waves (Aliyot), significantly altering the region's demographics. Approximately 40,000 Jews arrived during the Second Aliyah (1904–1914), while subsequent waves, especially in the 1920s-30s, saw tens of thousands more arrive.

See how crazy the US is going against immigration reaching about 15% of the population. (Of course those numbers should be taken with a large dose of salt as 97% of the population of the USA are immigrants, less than 3% indigenous left)

Palestine changed from 2% to 5% Jewish in 1880 to 12 to 13% by 1915 then grew to 31-32% by 1940 under British mandate, mainly Askenazi Jews from Europe. And these zionist Jews did not integrate, they created their own labor parties excluding the indigenous population, see Labor Zionism. 

So resistance and uprisings were to be expected, Arab revolt 1936-1939.

Then WW2 happened, Peel partition plan, UN partition plan, and the creation of Israel displacing 700-750K Palestinians and the destruction of over 500 villages and towns, taking 77-78% of the land, killing 13,000 to 16,000 Palestinians in the process.


One side wishes for freedom and the right of return to their land. The other sides wishes for Greater Israel and a land without people.



The fallout of Trump's latest illegal war is already growing. Bulgaria for example

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Chrkeller said:

US, EU and IAEA all thought/reported they were most certainly making progress towards weapon grade U-235.  Granted many thought Iraq had WOMD...  so, hell.  Don't know what to think.  

End goal, no idea.  Based on Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc...  I'm not exactly thrilled.  Not sure there are any good answers on this one, just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the response, much appreciated.

Edit

I try to look on the bright side.  Iran is likely having major setbacks on weapons development and Trump's approval rating (and GoP in general) is failing.  Will we get super lucky and Iran will be setback while also having a shift in US politics this November?  I sure as **** hope both happen.  

I am usually more pessimistic personally. 

This just feels like the admin doesn't have a plan, and is not smart enough to understand any other lever other than attacking someone. They don't actually seem to be smart enough to know how to attack someone, considering they lost a few jets for basically no reason.  

Actually using diplomacy would probably be the best option.

But even ignoring things like diplomacy, there are still other options. At one point, the government is believed to have used a virus to destroy a portion of Iran's nuclear capabilities: Stuxnet

The administration just seems so stupid and antagonistic that they're likely just going to get people killed.  

And it does seem fortunate right now, that this is something that most conservatives even seem to be pushing back on. Hopefully that continues. 



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SvennoJ said:

The fallout of Trump's latest illegal war is already growing. Bulgaria for example

The only place this war is popular among the general population is Israel. It's the only place where government and citizens are in alignment. Every where else it's government ignoring the will of their people and doing what they want. That said, I have to wonder how that will hold. Iran's strategy seems twofold. Exhaust the stockpile of US and Israeli interceptors and make their neighbors allied with the Israel and the US share in the pain of this war. The former was proven effective last June. Once their interceptor supply dwindled Israel sought out a ceasefire. This time around, I don't foresee Iran being open to a "ceasefire". Setting aside the fact that Israel has never seen a ceasefire they wouldn't break, Iran knows that a ceasefire would just be a stalling tactic to allow Israel to resupply their interceptors. So it's simply going to be a matter of if Iran can hold onto enough of their missile launch capabilities after their drones exhaust the interceptors. If they can Israel is going to be in for a world of hurt. Especially with them putting military facilities in residential areas. Yes Israel uses human shields.  Virtually every accusation they make is something they themselves are guilty of. 



the-pi-guy said:
Chrkeller said:

US, EU and IAEA all thought/reported they were most certainly making progress towards weapon grade U-235.  Granted many thought Iraq had WOMD...  so, hell.  Don't know what to think.  

End goal, no idea.  Based on Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc...  I'm not exactly thrilled.  Not sure there are any good answers on this one, just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the response, much appreciated.

Edit

I try to look on the bright side.  Iran is likely having major setbacks on weapons development and Trump's approval rating (and GoP in general) is failing.  Will we get super lucky and Iran will be setback while also having a shift in US politics this November?  I sure as **** hope both happen.  

I am usually more pessimistic personally. 

This just feels like the admin doesn't have a plan, and is not smart enough to understand any other lever other than attacking someone. They don't actually seem to be smart enough to know how to attack someone, considering they lost a few jets for basically no reason.  

Actually using diplomacy would probably be the best option.

But even ignoring things like diplomacy, there are still other options. At one point, the government is believed to have used a virus to destroy a portion of Iran's nuclear capabilities: Stuxnet

The administration just seems so stupid and antagonistic that they're likely just going to get people killed.  

And it does seem fortunate right now, that this is something that most conservatives even seem to be pushing back on. Hopefully that continues. 

And the general public seems furious.  I think the GOP is in trouble come November.  Hopefully we flip and neuter Trump or flatly impeach him.  I am optimistic.  I have relatives who voted Trump and now (literally) are watching their kids be deployed.  Let us say many have had a sudden change of opinion.



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the-pi-guy said:
Chrkeller said:

US, EU and IAEA all thought/reported they were most certainly making progress towards weapon grade U-235.  Granted many thought Iraq had WOMD...  so, hell.  Don't know what to think.  

End goal, no idea.  Based on Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc...  I'm not exactly thrilled.  Not sure there are any good answers on this one, just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the response, much appreciated.

Edit

I try to look on the bright side.  Iran is likely having major setbacks on weapons development and Trump's approval rating (and GoP in general) is failing.  Will we get super lucky and Iran will be setback while also having a shift in US politics this November?  I sure as **** hope both happen.  

I am usually more pessimistic personally. 

This just feels like the admin doesn't have a plan, and is not smart enough to understand any other lever other than attacking someone. They don't actually seem to be smart enough to know how to attack someone, considering they lost a few jets for basically no reason.  

Actually using diplomacy would probably be the best option.

But even ignoring things like diplomacy, there are still other options. At one point, the government is believed to have used a virus to destroy a portion of Iran's nuclear capabilities: Stuxnet

The administration just seems so stupid and antagonistic that they're likely just going to get people killed.  

And it does seem fortunate right now, that this is something that most conservatives even seem to be pushing back on. Hopefully that continues. 

I'm still pessimistic on that score. The Senate just voted, 47-53, almost entirely along party lines - Fetterman joined the Republicans in the vote - to refuse to review Trump's war powers, which means he has carte blanche to do what he wants. Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins didn't even bother to make their usual concerned noises this time before they voted with the party.  And too many of my Republican acquaintances are not just accepting of the war, they're absolutely ecstatic, with at least a couple of them expressing joy that the U.S. is bombing Iran. No goals, mention of nuclear weapons, or anything like that - they're just happy that Iran is getting attacked. To them, it's justified punishment for Iran for the sacking of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, which was nearly half a century ago, and continuing to defy the United States. It's going to be difficult to get a 50/50 split in the Senate, and there is no road to the 67-33 majority that would be needed to convict Trump or any other member of his administraiton in an impeachment trial, which again means he's pretty much got a blank checkbook for cruelty.

The few bright spots I've seen are the more enthusiastic response to James Talarico in Texas compared to Cornyn vs. Paxton, Roy Cooper in North Carolina versus Michael Whatley, and polling in my own state that suggests that my governor, Katie Hobbs holds an advantage over her likely challenger, Andy Biggs, who is the front-runner over David Schweikert on the GOP side. Trump's favorite, Karrin Taylor-Robson, dropped out.

I'm really worried about the local elections this year because Hobbs, AG Kris Mayes, and SoS Adrian Fontes, have really helped shelter Arizona from the worse excesses of the Trump administration. Despite Arizona having the second longest border with Mexico after Texas, there have been no major ICE surges here, and Mayes has been a strong leader among blue state AGs in pushing back against the Trump administration. I absolutely shudder to think of what would be happening here if we had Kari Lake, Abe Hamadeh, and Mark Finchem in those positions instead. I spent 2023-2024 in Oklahoma to help my sister out, and noped the hell out of there by the end of 2024 because it is absolutely insane there. I don't want to see that insanity come to my home state. 

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SanAndreasX said:
the-pi-guy said:

I am usually more pessimistic personally. 

This just feels like the admin doesn't have a plan, and is not smart enough to understand any other lever other than attacking someone. They don't actually seem to be smart enough to know how to attack someone, considering they lost a few jets for basically no reason.  

Actually using diplomacy would probably be the best option.

But even ignoring things like diplomacy, there are still other options. At one point, the government is believed to have used a virus to destroy a portion of Iran's nuclear capabilities: Stuxnet

The administration just seems so stupid and antagonistic that they're likely just going to get people killed.  

And it does seem fortunate right now, that this is something that most conservatives even seem to be pushing back on. Hopefully that continues. 

I'm still pessimistic on that score. The Senate just voted, 47-53, almost entirely along party lines - Fetterman joined the Republicans in the vote - to refuse to review Trump's war powers, which means he has carte blanche to do what he wants. Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins didn't even bother to make their usual concerned noises this time before they voted with the party.  And too many of my Republican acquaintances are not just accepting of the war, they're absolutely ecstatic, with at least a couple of them expressing joy that the U.S. is bombing Iran. No goals, mention of nuclear weapons, or anything like that - they're just happy that Iran is getting attacked. To them, it's justified punishment for Iran for the sacking of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, which was nearly half a century ago, and continuing to defy the United States. It's going to be difficult to get a 50/50 split in the Senate, and there is no road to the 67-33 majority that would be needed to convict Trump or any other member of his administraiton in an impeachment trial, which again means he's pretty much got a blank checkbook for cruelty.

The few bright spots I've seen are the more enthusiastic response to James Talarico in Texas, Roy Cooper in North Carolina, and polling in my own state that suggests that my governor, Katie Hobbs holds an advantage over her likely challenger, Andy Biggs, who is the front-runner over David Schweikert on the GOP side. Trump's favorite, Karrin Taylor-Robson, dropped out.

I'm really worried about the local elections this year because Hobbs, AG Kris Mayes, and SoS Adrian Fontes, have really helped shelter Arizona from the worse excesses of the Trump administration. Despite Arizona having the second longest border with Mexico after Texas, there have been no major ICE surges here, and Mayes has been a strong leader among blue state AGs in pushing back against the Trump administration. I absolutely shudder to think of what would be happening here if we had Kari Lake, Abe Hamadeh, and Mark Finchem in those positions instead. I spent 2023-2024 in Oklahoma to help my sister out, and noped the hell out of there by the end of 2024 because it is absolutely insane there. I don't want to see that insanity come to my home state. 

Supporting war time powers doesn't mean that one supports Trump.  I think the president should have authority to deploy troops for 60 days without congressional approval, given the president is commander in chief.  However, I don't support trump, so those are two different topics we shouldn't be mixing.

and the GOP will care if they get voted out, which I think is highly likely.  the general public doesn't want another war on terror.  



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Chrkeller said:
the-pi-guy said:

I am usually more pessimistic personally. 

This just feels like the admin doesn't have a plan, and is not smart enough to understand any other lever other than attacking someone. They don't actually seem to be smart enough to know how to attack someone, considering they lost a few jets for basically no reason.  

Actually using diplomacy would probably be the best option.

But even ignoring things like diplomacy, there are still other options. At one point, the government is believed to have used a virus to destroy a portion of Iran's nuclear capabilities: Stuxnet

The administration just seems so stupid and antagonistic that they're likely just going to get people killed.  

And it does seem fortunate right now, that this is something that most conservatives even seem to be pushing back on. Hopefully that continues. 

And the general public seems furious.  I think the GOP is in trouble come November.  Hopefully we flip and neuter Trump or flatly impeach him.  I am optimistic.  I have relatives who voted Trump and now (literally) are watching their kids be deployed.  Let us say many have had a sudden change of opinion.

We'll see how it plays out, but it's looking the Republicans have screwed themselves royally. Part of the reason Trump did so well in many areas was the Latino vote and he's turned them against him. Even the Gerrymandering they did in Texas is looking like it is backfiring on them. They drew up the districts like the Latino vote was a given. With Trumps ICE and immigration shenanigans, that Latino vote has flipped against them to such a degree it's overridng their Gerrymandering. I have heard talk of Texas being a place for gains before but, usually it's smoke and mirrors. However the number of Demcratic primary voters  surpassed the number of Republican primary votes by a fair margin. That's basically unprecedented.