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curl-6 said:
firebush03 said:

Here's the thing with the two cross gen releases: (i) Metroid Prime 4 is an identical situation to BotW and Twilight Princess. It was promised for Nintendo Switch (and Wii (resp.)) all the way back in 2017 (and 2004 (resp.)), and Nintendo is following through. (That and I cannot imagine Retro is doing great financially, having not released an original title since Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and having scrapped a game that was in development for several years. The addition of the Switch 1 userbase probably helps the higher-ups and devs sleep at night.) (ii) Pokémon never releases exclusively on a system with a small installbase. Often Game Freak will hold off an extra year or two before releasing on a new Nintendo system. (And that's not even mentioning the fact that Legends Z-A is not a mainline entry, but a spinoff.)

That said, I don't anticipate we'll see many more cross gen releases besides Tomadachi Life and Rhythm Heaven.

Yeah Nintendo would piss off a lot of people if they told those who'd been waiting for Prime 4 since it was announced for Switch 1 over eight years ago that "lol, you have to buy a Switch 2 to play it, tough luck."

And yeah, I expect that any first party game announced from here on will be a Switch 2 exclusive, with Tomodachi Life or Rhythm Heaven (whichever comes out last) being the swan song for Switch 1 Nintendo support.

I think that's fair, and I understand Nintendo's thinking.

I also think it would of been worth it and that there would be very little backlash. A similar situation would be FFversus XIII  being re-announced for PS4 as FFXV or The Last Guardian being moved to PS4. The fan base in the end was just excited to see it come to life.

This could be the one Prime we get this generation. switch got the remake... Would of been nice to go all out on its potential and have that 1st party technical showpiece.  Especially considering the fan base imo is particularly on the more core side of things and I think 90% of sales will be on S2.

In the case of past Zelda's I think that's a bit different as every generation has its Zelda and neither restarted development at a point where it was clear they would arrive after the launch of a new platform. Twilight princess was seemingly delayed from 2005 just to coincide with Wii and I suspect BOTW from 2016. Ultimately though neither games (TP/BOTW) would have benefitted by dropping previous hardware. Gamecube > Wii and Wii U > Switch is not the kind of leap that changes asset creation or technical limitations on the world design. S1 > S2 is game changing by comparison 



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zorg1000 said:
firebush03 said:

Mario Odyssey and BotW alone are enough to carry Switch over Switch 2 IMO. That's an insane duo to drop in a single year. Switch 2 has had a very solid start, though!

Sure, those are major releases, my issue is people counting BotW as a major Switch title despite being cross-gen while simultaneously discounting Pokemon Legends or Metroid Prime because they are cross-gen.

The big difference is backwards compatibility, or the lack of it on the Switch. It needed the BotW port and a big Mario game or else you could not play Zelda or Mario on the new system for the fans. Switch2 does not have that issue.



Otter said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah Nintendo would piss off a lot of people if they told those who'd been waiting for Prime 4 since it was announced for Switch 1 over eight years ago that "lol, you have to buy a Switch 2 to play it, tough luck."

And yeah, I expect that any first party game announced from here on will be a Switch 2 exclusive, with Tomodachi Life or Rhythm Heaven (whichever comes out last) being the swan song for Switch 1 Nintendo support.

I think that's fair, and I understand Nintendo's thinking.

I also think it would of been worth it and that there would be very little backlash. A similar situation would be FFversus XIII  being re-announced for PS4 as FFXV or The Last Guardian being moved to PS4. The fan base in the end was just excited to see it come to life.

This could be the one Prime we get this generation. switch got the remake... Would of been nice to go all out on its potential and have that 1st party technical showpiece.  Especially considering the fan base imo is particularly on the more core side of things and I think 90% of sales will be on S2.

In the case of past Zelda's I think that's a bit different as every generation has its Zelda and neither restarted development at a point where it was clear they would arrive after the launch of a new platform. Twilight princess was seemingly delayed from 2005 just to coincide with Wii and I suspect BOTW from 2016. Ultimately though neither games (TP/BOTW) would have benefitted by dropping previous hardware. Gamecube > Wii and Wii U > Switch is not the kind of leap that changes asset creation or technical limitations on the world design. S1 > S2 is game changing by comparison 

I get where you're coming from, though I still think it would be really bad PR for them to have to cancel the Switch 1 version after promising it since 2017.

With Prime 4, I suspect the original plan, even after the 2019 reboot, was to have it out in say 2023, well before Switch 2 arrived on the scene, only to fall behind schedule due to covid.

By the time they realized it wouldn't be finished til after the start of the next gen, it was probably almost finished as a Switch 1 game, and way over budget, so rebuilding it all over again as a next gen exclusive would have been too costly.

That's my theory anyway.



curl-6 said:
firebush03 said:

Here's the thing with the two cross gen releases: (i) Metroid Prime 4 is an identical situation to BotW and Twilight Princess. It was promised for Nintendo Switch (and Wii (resp.)) all the way back in 2017 (and 2004 (resp.)), and Nintendo is following through. (That and I cannot imagine Retro is doing great financially, having not released an original title since Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and having scrapped a game that was in development for several years. The addition of the Switch 1 userbase probably helps the higher-ups and devs sleep at night.) (ii) Pokémon never releases exclusively on a system with a small installbase. Often Game Freak will hold off an extra year or two before releasing on a new Nintendo system. (And that's not even mentioning the fact that Legends Z-A is not a mainline entry, but a spinoff.)

That said, I don't anticipate we'll see many more cross gen releases besides Tomadachi Life and Rhythm Heaven.

Yeah Nintendo would piss off a lot of people if they told those who'd been waiting for Prime 4 since it was announced for Switch 1 over eight years ago that "lol, you have to buy a Switch 2 to play it, tough luck."

And yeah, I expect that any first party game announced from here on will be a Switch 2 exclusive, with Tomodachi Life or Rhythm Heaven (whichever comes out last) being the swan song for Switch 1 Nintendo support.

I actually expect there will be more. There are plenty of quality 3DS titles to port. Not doing so would be leaving money on the table. Think about the Zelda A Link Between Worlds or the Kirby games Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot and such. I don't expect brand new Switch1 titles though, I agree with that.



Tober said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah Nintendo would piss off a lot of people if they told those who'd been waiting for Prime 4 since it was announced for Switch 1 over eight years ago that "lol, you have to buy a Switch 2 to play it, tough luck."

And yeah, I expect that any first party game announced from here on will be a Switch 2 exclusive, with Tomodachi Life or Rhythm Heaven (whichever comes out last) being the swan song for Switch 1 Nintendo support.

I actually expect there will be more. There are plenty of quality 3DS titles to port. Not doing so would be leaving money on the table. Think about the Zelda A Link Between Worlds or the Kirby games Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot and such. I don't expect brand new Switch1 titles though, I agree with that.

Oh yeah ports from prior generations like the Mario Galaxy games or Yoshi's Woolly World I do expect to keep coming to Switch 1 for a while, I was referring more to actual all new games, where I think anything announced from here on out will be Switch 2 only.



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Tober said:
zorg1000 said:

Sure, those are major releases, my issue is people counting BotW as a major Switch title despite being cross-gen while simultaneously discounting Pokemon Legends or Metroid Prime because they are cross-gen.

The big difference is backwards compatibility, or the lack of it on the Switch. It needed the BotW port and a big Mario game or else you could not play Zelda or Mario on the new system for the fans. Switch2 does not have that issue.

Switch 2 having a native version is absolutely necessary if Nintendo wants it to be a major system seller which they clearly do hence the hardware bundle. Or I guess you expect Nintendo to bundle a Switch game with Switch 2 hardware? 



RolStoppable said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Considering how many big controversies Nintendo has had at this point (leading the charge in 80$ games, the failure of the fake cartridges, the console-bricking ToS...) and not a particularly brilliant first year in terms of software, I'm shocked the system has taken of as it has.

You continue to be shocked because you refuse to acknowledge how little of the alleged controversies has actually been real.

I clicked on only one negative video on YouTube and since then my recommendations show at least a couple of stupid takes on Switch 2 on a regular basis. The internet is certainly desperate to make people believe that there's something seriously wrong with Nintendo and Switch 2. In some ways it's reminiscent of Switch 1's launch where the internet had decided that the launch window lineup is weak; Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe went on to combine for more than 100 million copies sold. Neither one of these two games was an actual exclusive, but Switch 2's two early heavy-hitters are.

How fake the controversies around Switch 2 were was demonstrated every time it came to making sales predictions. People acted like Nintendo had a flop on their hands, but at the same time they were shitting their pants to predict under 100 million units sold lifetime.

I mean, the controversies have been real allright, all of the topics have been proven and have caused a lot of bad blood between the fans and Nintendo. The controversies having a much smaller impact than I expected is another thing altogether. And while they haven't impacted Nintendo's bottom line directly, they are indeed affecting the Switch 2 in other ways (the key cards are making physical 3rd party sales way worse than they'd had been, for example). I'm not saying I expected the Switch 2 to flop, but to sell even more than the original despite all these new problems is something I didn't expect.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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Darwinianevolution said:
RolStoppable said:

I mean, the controversies have been real allright, all of the topics have been proven and have caused a lot of bad blood between the fans and Nintendo. The controversies having a much smaller impact than I expected is another thing altogether. And while they haven't impacted Nintendo's bottom line directly, they are indeed affecting the Switch 2 in other ways (the key cards are making physical 3rd party sales way worse than they'd had been, for example). I'm not saying I expected the Switch 2 to flop, but to sell even more than the original despite all these new problems is something I didn't expect.

How exactly do you know these people are fans and what exactly is your proof that key cards are making 3rd party sales way worse? 

That's the point, you can't actually back any of this up besides pointing to troll comments on YouTube and the internet. People are allowed to be disappointed with consumer products that doesnt make it controversial or else everything would be considered controversial because every product has things people dont like.

We hardly have any data for sales and somehow you know these games underperformed/sold way less?

So yes these controversies are all in your head and the market at large has no clue ie these controversies are not real at all and the reason why you are confused.



Wow.

This thread went off the rails, didn't it?

Well, better luck next time, OP.  =p



zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Because that is the point of this thread.  The OP asked for everyone's opinion.  I could ask, "Why ask for people's opinions if you aren't allowed to disagree with the majority of posters here?"

You are the one who is actually in the bubble.  Bubbles get created when you don't allow people to have a different opinion.

zorg1000 said:

Sure, those are major releases, my issue is people counting BotW as a major Switch title despite being cross-gen while simultaneously discounting Pokemon Legends or Metroid Prime because they are cross-gen.

It is very reasonable to count BotW as a major Switch title while discounting Pokemon Legends for Switch 2.  That is because with cross-gen titles you have to consider the other system people might play the game on.  Since few people owned the Wii U, most people just bought a Switch to play BotW.  On the other hand, people don't have to buy a Switch 2 to play Pokemon Legends.  Most Pokemon fans already have a Switch.

No, the install base of the previous console does not determine whether a cross-gen title is a major release.

What determines if a title is major is its sales potential and ability to move hardware.

It's going to be harder for Pokemon to move hardware when fans can play it on a system they already own.