It's UK school dress code, no bare shoulders...

She could have worn this and would likely have been fine.


What she wore is fine to me and you and many others, yet UK schools are still very conservative in dress style.

https://endsexisminschools.org.uk/campaign-projects/school-uniform-policy/

Whether that ends sexism, doubt it. I'm more on this fence

https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/dress-codes-are-body-shaming-and-sexist/



But the media hijacked this story to revolve around anti-British sentiments. The fact she was also banned from attending class says all that the school found the outfit too revealing. 

Now if other students were allowed in with outfits like this then I stand corrected.

Hmm if this is true, then the school has got some more explaining to do

Mr Field claimed Courtney wasn’t the only one singled out. “One child dressed in traditional farming clothes — flat cap and checked shirt — wasn’t allowed in. Another with a St George’s flag. One had a Welsh flag. All turned away.

Who are the other kids that were turned away. Why did she get put in 'isolation' while the others turned away. Why is all the focus on her Spice girl outfit and turning away of the Welsh flag being ignored.


How this incident is blowing up is far more revealing than the incident itself.

Yet you have no problem ascribing beliefs and positons to said person. Why don't you focus on people that have actually said things you find offensive? That's typically how forums work, when it comes to different/opposing stances. You debate/argue with the person that has the view you disagree with. You don't assume posters that haven't replied to the people you disagree share their views. You have an axe to grind on a wholely separate issue. Instead of making a thread on it, you chose to hijack this one. 

According to the girl's father, she was told the Culture Day was "not for her as she gets to celebrate being British every day" which if true would be a pretty clear cut case of discrimination:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jul/15/girl-union-flag-dress-school-culture-day-rugby

The dress was not sexual or revealing in any way. So the only reason her dress was inappropriate was because you think it ugly? Not exactl a dress code any school could possibly adopt, since it is entirely subjective to say this is ugly and that is not.

Your other point seems to be that the flag of Britain does not have cultural significance. Since some of the most important contributions for the wellbeing of humanity have been made under that very flag, I would be curious to hear an argument for its cultural insignificance.

And I am not really familliar with all things "incel". But does this not refer to men who live alone (who have no sexual partners) without wanting to? What does that have to do with the girl, the dress and the disregard for british culture?

Why? Why do Reform UK keeps on increasing in the polls? Its such a mystery!

For all the people making the argument that she (probably) was sent home because wearing a flag is not a tradition: the father of the girl, in an intervew revealed, that other pupils have been sent home too. And they wore what would typically be called traditional. I cannot remember, some hats and dress britsh farmers wore back when.
Make no mistake, no matter how much you don't want to see it, this is about self hate and how Britain cannot be allowed anymore to be proud of its own culture.

And since I saw a comment skimming through this thread, saying that Britain has english culture, scottish culture and so on. Yes, sure, it is the United Kingdom. And under it, welsh culture is different from scottish culture. But there is an overaching culture to the country too. British culture, in theory the best way uniting the people who happen to be in Britain. In practice though, not allowed anymore. We would not want unity, would we.

Sorry my friend, but the story is as crazy as it sounds. And it seems like students who were trying to celebrate their Welsh traditions were also told they couldn't do that. 

I'm not denying that bad actors will hijack the story to drive their own narratives. But to say that every reporting on this story is driven by some ulterior motive is frankly ridiculous, Even Novara Media found the story to be insane, and I'm on record, repeatedly, encouraging people to support Novara Media financially as a left-wing independent organisation as I've been a long time supporter myself, even though I disagree with them a lot on issues like immigration and Islamophobia, but I'm glad the reporting on this story has been more balanced imo. 

We can continue to ignore why people are feeling bent up and gaslight them and tell them they're just inherently racist or actually admit that for far too long now, a large subset of the society is constantly being lectured and made feel guilty over mistakes they haven't made and have their freedom of speech restricted because of x-phobias, for far too long, they were told that they're privileged, when in fact, they share the same struggles and the same hardships, like struggling with rent, bills skyrocketing crime rate, like any other person from any other minority. 

The Modern Britain and its people are among the most accepting and progressive societies in the Western world, we continued to make progressive social mile stones and had terms like birthing people being introduced across public organisations when the Tories, a conservative party, were in power for 14 years. While I find the rise of reform (and transphobia) is troubling, this is only a recent development that is strongly rooted in a political failure to address systemic issues that includes uncontrolled immigration. 

There is a lot to celebrate here, there is a lot to be proud of and wear the Union flag for, but many feel like they can't do that and they clearly have valid reasons for not doing it, the way to fight a party like reform is to reclaim the Union flag as a symbol to be celebrated across the nation, not treat it and treat any sense of nationalism as controversial stances. 

Yeah, the polarization in politics drives people to crazyness. We are at a point that people might oppose free health care, once a right-wing party or media supports it. Just because we have to be different in everything!

And about the bad actors hijacking this: why do we give these bad actors the leeway to do so in the first place? If leftist pick up the story and judge it as the ridiculous bullshit it is, the grifters have no space to hijack it.

Yep it certainly looks that way. The phrase "appropriate for a school setting" and her saying she was also barred from attending class had me think of dress code issues, but then they could have simply had her wear a jacket over top and let her give the speech. 

This is indeed only driving a bigger wedge instead of celebrating diversity. Immigrants are just as eager to learn about the new culture they ended up in as UK born kids are interested in their peer's backgrounds. 

The Union Jack is over 500 years old and used as clothing since the 60s. Also turning away traditional farm clothes and St Georges and Welsh flags is bizarre. 


Immigration is up a lot in the UK in the last couple years. How much of that is 'uncontrolled' though. The UK is also dealing with an ageing population like many other Western countries, the baby boomers are getting old and subsequent generations are having fewer children later in life. UK natural population increase is projected to be in decline by 2035, and is mainly supported now by higher birth rates in immigrant families. (Mainly Pakistan and Bangladesh immigrants) The problem with pension schemes is that they are based on an ever increasing population. The young pay for the old and there are projections the retirement age would have to be raised to 71 by 2050.

It all contributes to changes in the society, and people are naturally fearful of change. Muslims are now making up 6.5% of the population, 15% in London. Here in Ontario it's 6.7% and 10.2% in Toronto. And what you want to do is introduce new comers to your culture, not be ashamed of it. Kneejerk reaction from the right to exclude vs kneejerk reaction from the Left to over represent. 

How much is this new 'class' war being played up to divide the population and distract from the bigger issues though. Sustainability of pensions and elderly health care, living cost and housing crises, rising unemployment rate, climate change. Singling out immigration isn't helping, but that seems where the battle lines are being drawn. 

Anyway it's different here. The school did have an indigenous people's day/project, but there it's very clear it's about those that inhabited the land before Canada and students were tasked with choosing a indigenous tribe and learning about them without shaming kids for Canada's colonial past. And no issues during graduation with what kids wanted to wear from Niqab to Sari to glittery dresses. (While the boys all wear ties and suits, why is that still a tradition) A lot of emphasis on celebrating diversity. 

Anyway excluding Britain from diversity day is just beyond stupid, hence hard to believe. But it seems the school was that stupid and reached the total opposite of the intended effect. 

School messes up. Dad knows enough people on the right of UK politics to turn it into a nice little earner.
Although odd that they let a convicted fraudster run the crowdfund campaign.
Culture wars continue.