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LurkerJ on 18 July 2025
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SvennoJ said:
LurkerJ said:

I'll take the Union Jack dressed over any dress that forces women to cover up their bodies and hair, which I frankly find quite offensive and absolutely not something to be celebrated in the West. I have no problem with women choosing to wear that. But let's not kid ourselves, a lot women end up wearing it because they were taught to wear it, not because it's their choice. If it was up to me I would ban such nonsense from being enforced on children, and I hope no one showed up at school wearing that. 

I don't understand how you think the Union Jack dress the girl wore is inappropriate for school settings, while on the other hand, you're happy with traditional dresses that indoctrinate women and have no problem with girls wearing them. 

It's UK school dress code, no bare shoulders...

She could have worn this and would likely have been fine.


What she wore is fine to me and you and many others, yet UK schools are still very conservative in dress style.

https://endsexisminschools.org.uk/campaign-projects/school-uniform-policy/

Whether that ends sexism, doubt it. I'm more on this fence

https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/dress-codes-are-body-shaming-and-sexist/



But the media hijacked this story to revolve around anti-British sentiments. The fact she was also banned from attending class says all that the school found the outfit too revealing. 

Now if other students were allowed in with outfits like this then I stand corrected.

Hmm if this is true, then the school has got some more explaining to do

Mr Field claimed Courtney wasn’t the only one singled out. “One child dressed in traditional farming clothes — flat cap and checked shirt — wasn’t allowed in. Another with a St George’s flag. One had a Welsh flag. All turned away.

Who are the other kids that were turned away. Why did she get put in 'isolation' while the others turned away. Why is all the focus on her Spice girl outfit and turning away of the Welsh flag being ignored.


How this incident is blowing up is far more revealing than the incident itself.

Sorry my friend, but the story is as crazy as it sounds. And it seems like students who were trying to celebrate their Welsh traditions were also told they couldn't do that. 

I'm not denying that bad actors will hijack the story to drive their own narratives. But to say that every reporting on this story is driven by some ulterior motive is frankly ridiculous, Even Novara Media found the story to be insane, and I'm on record, repeatedly, encouraging people to support Novara Media financially as a left-wing independent organisation as I've been a long time supporter myself, even though I disagree with them a lot on issues like immigration and Islamophobia, but I'm glad the reporting on this story has been more balanced imo. 

We can continue to ignore why people are feeling bent up and gaslight them and tell them they're just inherently racist or actually admit that for far too long now, a large subset of the society is constantly being lectured and made feel guilty over mistakes they haven't made and have their freedom of speech restricted because of x-phobias, for far too long, they were told that they're privileged, when in fact, they share the same struggles and the same hardships, like struggling with rent, bills skyrocketing crime rate, like any other person from any other minority. 

The Modern Britain and its people are among the most accepting and progressive societies in the Western world, we continued to make progressive social mile stones and had terms like birthing people being introduced across public organisations when the Tories, a conservative party, were in power for 14 years. While I find the rise of reform (and transphobia) is troubling, this is only a recent development that is strongly rooted in a political failure to address systemic issues that includes uncontrolled immigration. 

There is a lot to celebrate here, there is a lot to be proud of and wear the Union flag for, but many feel like they can't do that and they clearly have valid reasons for not doing it, the way to fight a party like reform is to reclaim the Union flag as a symbol to be celebrated across the nation, not treat it and treat any sense of nationalism as controversial stances. 

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 18 July 2025