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sundin13 said:
curl-6 said:

Again though, if it's a socioeconomic issue, then efforts to address it should be based on socioeconomic status, not race.

The solution to discrimination is to end discrimination, not discriminate in the opposite direction.

If the government bulldozes my house and then turns around and says "you should use the standard public assistance for homeless people" I think I would rightfully be pissed off.

While there should be larger scale efforts to aid those who are struggling financially, the government has a specific responsibility to the communities it directly harmed.

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.



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curl-6 said:
sundin13 said:

If the government bulldozes my house and then turns around and says "you should use the standard public assistance for homeless people" I think I would rightfully be pissed off.

While there should be larger scale efforts to aid those who are struggling financially, the government has a specific responsibility to the communities it directly harmed.

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.

The communities that were harmed by government policy still very much exist. 



sundin13 said:
curl-6 said:

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.

The communities that were harmed by government policy still very much exist. 

Yes, and those communities have had equal rights for a long time now. (As they should)

Everybody's ancestors were mistreated at some point. We can't move forward to a better tomorrow by living in the past or by continuing to treat people differently based on the colour of their skin.



curl-6 said:
sundin13 said:

The communities that were harmed by government policy still very much exist. 

Yes, and those communities have had equal rights for a long time now. (As they should)

Everybody's ancestors were mistreated at some point. We can't move forward to a better tomorrow by living in the past or by continuing to treat people differently based on the colour of their skin.

Very true and that general idea applies to everything really. For example I'm gay and it would be an understatement to say that gay people had it rough in basically every country till pretty recently but that doesn't mean it'd be justified to give reparations for past homophobia. In countries like mine people like me can live equal lives now so equal treatment should be the goal or otherwise there could be an uptick in homophobia as backlash and in general it's trading one kind of discrimination for another which is not a good path.

There's also that most or at least many of the people in a group getting special treatment and many others who promote that sort of thing aren't gonna want it to stop even when it blatantly should so eventually it just becomes completely unjustified discrimination with no end in sight which only adds to the backlash.

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Its all fun and games until you get to a point where it gets difficult to identify who is black and who is white (regarding black vs white racism). Me and my brother are 25% black as my mother is black (already mixed) and my father is white. I ended up being brown, my brother ended up being white. I got government privileges and quotas (if I wanted to), he doesnt get it. We both had access to the same opportunities from our parents. I would get an advantage applying for jobs especially for DEI loving companies. I never got discriminated in my life, he got several times as he has got a kind of bad boy appearance.

My wife is 100% white so my son is 12.5% black. He ended up also being brown although in a much lighter tone than me. His other traits are all "european" but having brown skin he could have access to a lot of privileges, which I will definitely forbid him to get if possible. At which point this stupid cycle stops?

I have a black cousin that loves white woman, only dates white woman. He is harassed online by other black people for doing so. In theory he should be allowed to date only inside his own race. Again, at which point the stupid cycle stops?

Racist attitudes should always be fought against, but creating divisions, quotas, privileges only seeds a "us vs them" environment, only creates more distortions, more racism. In the long run causes more harm than good.



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Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Winner-takes-all is the reason. In a proportional voting system, voters know that there's a high chance that their vote won't be lost (it is when countries require a threshold which usually ranges between 3-5% of all votes). In winner-takes-all, your vote will be ignored if you didn't vote for the winner. Third party candidates in the USA are usually even more clueless and useless than the two major parties. Your suggestion is akin to recommending Germans to vote the AfD because neither the CDU or SPD have fixed the big problems during the last three decades. As messed up as it is, the Democrats happen to be the most left option in US elections despite being clearly located on the right side of the political spectrum. All that is why both abstaining and voting for a third party lead to the same result of raising the odds of putting the Republicans in power.

You've waived your right to call my post bullshit when you selectively quoted it. That's not how you debate if you have actual points.

France, Japan, the UK don't exist, because you say it, it is so, winner-takes-all creates a two-party-system. OK, fine you win. I guess reality loses against your flawless arguments.

Cyran gave you the explanation why the USA's setup is a unique one. There's no easy way out for the American people.



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Cyran said:
Mnementh said:

France, Japan, the UK don't exist, because you say it, it is so, winner-takes-all creates a two-party-system. OK, fine you win. I guess reality loses against your flawless arguments.

France has Two-Round voting so people feel more free to vote for whoever they want on first round since on the second round they get a second vote for the 2 candidates that got the most votes.  I think USA would see a lot more people voting third party if we had two-round voting.

Japan and UK both parliamentary system where you don't vote for the prime minister but vote for your local MP.  When one party does not get the majority of seats then the party with the most seats have to negotiate with other parties to form a minority government which means even a party that only get a few seats can still hold influence over the prime minister in some situation unlike USA where we vote for our president directly (well technically electoral college but the electoral college is winner take all, a thrid party cant give there electoral votes to anouther party after the fact like in a parlimentary system).

All your examples either give more influence to parties in the minority then the USA (parlimentary system) or in the case of france give citizen a second vote which we don't get in the USA.

The USA system is as RolStoppable indicated uniquely setup to encourage people to vote for one of the two party in order to maximize chance of the person you vote for having a chance to win to the point that I had press to think of another country that have a single round vote directly for president that have many parties as valid option.

Eh, France's two round system may have a small effect, but the much bigger effect is the believe in the lie, that they cannot escape the two-party system. Beliefs are very strong influencers of our actions. So strengthening this belief is actively harming the people in the US.

But besides that, rules can be changed. In truth, two states already have a different system, a ranked choice system/instant runoff (even better than two-round): Alaska and Maine. More states are using it for local elections. So these rules aren't set in stone and can be changed. They are not the reason for the two-party-system.

I fail to see influence of the abscence of a presidential office on house seats. That sounds like a weak excuse.

Stop perpuating this lie. It bolsters the belief that there is no escape from the two parties. And that belief is the main reason nothing changes. Self-fulfilling prophecy.



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RolStoppable said:
Mnementh said:

France, Japan, the UK don't exist, because you say it, it is so, winner-takes-all creates a two-party-system. OK, fine you win. I guess reality loses against your flawless arguments.

Cyran gave you the explanation why the USA's setup is a unique one. There's no easy way out for the American people.

I answered Cyran seriously, because I feel they are interested in a serious discussion.

You on the other hand put another idiotic lie on top: the idea of american exceptionalism. It is often used to paint americans as somehow superior, but you are not the first declaring americans as uniquely stupid: unable to break out of a two party misery pendulum like other countries.

The pendulum is that if people are fed up with one shitty party they elect the other, until they are fed up with them. But either way they don't escape the misery. So the misery pendulum. You declare americans are too stupid to break the cycle, you declare no escape from the misery. That is a lie and perpetuating this lie feeds into sustaining the two-party-system. As people fear the consequences of a third-party vote or resignate.

The situation is so bad that a murderer (Luigi Mangioni) is openly cheered on.

And yes, I know many hate americans enough to wish them not to escape this misery. As a non-american you have it easy to escape the misery. But I think differently. Besides the basic human decency for every human, I also think that this influences europe. Because enough dumb-dumb here want to emulate every bad policy from the americas. So a bad situation in the US over time leads to more boldness in proposing bullshit ideas for europeans.

So let's not make the situation worse. Let us not strenghtening the lie of the inevitability of the misery pendulum, of the two-party system. Americans should break free and improve their situation.



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sundin13 said:
curl-6 said:

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.

The communities that were harmed by government policy still very much exist. 

Which wouldn't be the main argument. But these communities still are affected by the ripple effects of the past discriminations. The main thing is that they didn't have time to build up generational wealth, but also in education (education level of parents already influences childs) and some other effects. I don't think you can repair past misdeeds, but I think policies can be applied to offset the still lingering effects of these past discriminations.



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curl-6 said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

I am white, I have never in my life been called racist, so I'm sure it's not a skin color thing, I wonder what you've been doing to be called that...

That looks like a very real life photo of a very ordinary and relatable moment that we see everywhere everyday, and I am extremely offended by it.