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Darwinianevolution said:

I'm growing both concerned and disinterested in the Switch 2 by the day. The increased prices, the restrictions on physical media on the Switch 2, the recent TOS changes that allow Nintendo to brick your console (which I'm sure it will be blocked immediately by the EU if they ever start applying it)... Unless they begin turning things around, I'll seriously consider not getting the Switch 2 at all. There are definitely enough games around for my Switch to last me for a long time, and there's always Steam (I'm growing interested on the SteamDeck by the day).

If you engage in piracy you deserve to have your system bricked. The game-key system blows though and I'll only be using Switch to play games that are complete on disk. Hopefully Rol is right and a ton of people boycott game-key-cards.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I'm growing both concerned and disinterested in the Switch 2 by the day. The increased prices, the restrictions on physical media on the Switch 2, the recent TOS changes that allow Nintendo to brick your console (which I'm sure it will be blocked immediately by the EU if they ever start applying it)... Unless they begin turning things around, I'll seriously consider not getting the Switch 2 at all. There are definitely enough games around for my Switch to last me for a long time, and there's always Steam (I'm growing interested on the SteamDeck by the day).

If you engage in piracy you deserve to have your system bricked. The game-key system blows though and I'll only be using Switch to play games that are complete on disk. Hopefully Rol is right and a ton of people boycott game-key-cards.

If you engage in piracy you deserve to have your account banned. But you should never be restricted from accessing whatever games you've purchased online, and under no circumstances you should have your hardware, the hardware you own, completely bricked and killed. Ownership is already taking a beating in regards to digital content, you do not want to create the precedent of companies being able to actively killing your purchase with the push of a button.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I'm growing both concerned and disinterested in the Switch 2 by the day. The increased prices, the restrictions on physical media on the Switch 2, the recent TOS changes that allow Nintendo to brick your console (which I'm sure it will be blocked immediately by the EU if they ever start applying it)... Unless they begin turning things around, I'll seriously consider not getting the Switch 2 at all. There are definitely enough games around for my Switch to last me for a long time, and there's always Steam (I'm growing interested on the SteamDeck by the day).

If you engage in piracy you deserve to have your system bricked. The game-key system blows though and I'll only be using Switch to play games that are complete on disk. Hopefully Rol is right and a ton of people boycott game-key-cards.

This is lunacy, if I bought a console it's mine to do whatever I want. Whay you are telling me is you want to no longer be the owner of the console, but instead be licensed to use the console. You're are raging about software ownership while Nintendo is saying you no longer is a hardware owner, you are merely an user who bought the right to use the console. What next? They will tell you cannot resell your console? That your console can only be used for as long as they want? 



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Smaller size chips that are fast enough are being made in much smaller quantities than in 2017. Maybe smaller ones are simply not economical anymore these days. I mean, try even to find a new SD card or USB stick with less than 64GB...

haxxiy said:

I suppose the idea was to make it scale up in production and become cheaper eventually, but the result will probably be game key cards ahoy for a generation.

You both make good points. It makes sense to go for 64GB as it would scale better for the generation for both price and games size. If they would continue to offer 8/16/32GB cards, the same companies that are using Game Key cards would just go for the 8GB and force you to download the rest of the game.

Nevertheless, getting some déjà vu Switch card tax explanations which we had during the OG Switch launch. 
https://www.pcmag.com/news/cartridges-mean-switch-games-will-always-cost-more
https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/231509/la-noire-will-cost-more-on-switch-than-ps4-and-xbox-one/

Many third parties jumped at the opportunity to charge more last-gen. And this gen with the Game Key cards, they finally can embrace the digital market to reap all the rewards they want. Some like EA (Split Fiction) and Take-Two (Civilization VII) go full retail digital still with download codes... (shame for civ 7 as I was looking forward to those mouse controls).

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This is dumb. You would think there would at least be 32 GB Game Cards available, or even 8 or 16 GB.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

If you engage in piracy you deserve to have your system bricked. The game-key system blows though and I'll only be using Switch to play games that are complete on disk. Hopefully Rol is right and a ton of people boycott game-key-cards.

This is lunacy, if I bought a console it's mine to do whatever I want. Whay you are telling me is you want to no longer be the owner of the console, but instead be licensed to use the console. You're are raging about software ownership while Nintendo is saying you no longer is a hardware owner, you are merely an user who bought the right to use the console. What next? They will tell you cannot resell your console? That your console can only be used for as long as they want? 

Thats kinda how it is though. Just because you own something doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it. Just like just because you own a gun doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it.



RolStoppable said:

If true - because there's no real confirmation here - the reason for one standardized size would be cost reductions in manufacturing while accounting for lots of third party games going beyond or about to go beyond 32 GB.

It's not going to be cheaper.

Cost of NAND (In this instance "xtrarom") has a direct relationship with the size of the chip itself... And Macronix will still manufacture and sell a myriad of different sizes.
With the Switch we had carts that had a huge memory chip and other carts where the chip was integrated in the contact portion of the cart.

If you are hoping scales of economy will make the difference, you haven't been paying attention to fabrication.. Costs have been rising, so larger chips always cost more verses smaller ones as you get less chips per wafer. (Which is the bottleneck in making these things.)



RolStoppable said:

What we can confirm is that these 64 GB cards are not too expensive for third parties, because a small publisher like Marvelous can go ahead with them. Additionally, CD Projekt is proving that massive games can be put on such cards with proper compression. Put these two facts together and it's clear that a lot of other publishers are engaging in anti-consumer behavior for no other sake than the hope for higher profits. I call it hope, because using game-key cards will predictably make them lose a lot of sales, which likely leaves them with less profit overall than if they had used a game card.

No issues with squeezing large games onto smaller carts, it's been a thing for decades... We need to remember that current games spend the vast majority of their storage on stuff like uncompressed audio, high quality 4k video and super high resolution textures, everything the Switch 2 can throw out the window as it's not relevant to the console.
It's not just compression, the Switch 2 just can't make use of assets of the same quality.

Developers will prioritize other aspects that the Switch 2 hardware is more proficient at, such as DLSS and Lighting. (RT)

RolStoppable said:

I call it hope, because using game-key cards will predictably make them lose a lot of sales, which likely leaves them with less profit overall than if they had used a game card.

I refuse to buy physical games if it's not a real physical game.

RolStoppable said:

And then we have a third fact which is that the publishers who are opting for game-key cards usually have a history of download-only or partial downloads being required on Switch 1 already. They are simply continuing with what they've already been doing, and just like there have been gamers rushing to their defense on Switch 1 to put blame on Nintendo despite contradictory facts, there will be gamers rushing to their defense this time around too. So what's going on is more of the same thing that has been going on since 2017.

We need to call them out on it, because it's pretty shit and anti-consumer.

Microsoft and Sony are bad for this as well, so we have kinda' been conditioned as gamers for years now to accept this, which I believe isn't great.

Wman1996 said:

This is dumb. You would think there would at least be 32 GB Game Cards available, or even 8 or 16 GB.

2GB/4GB/8GB/16GB/32GB is still available and still being manufactured. - And is 100% compatible with the Switch 2 AND Switch 1.
It's a Nintendo "idea" to ditch the smaller sizes for Switch 2 exclusive carts.

I think Developers should still be able to leverage the Switch 1 cart technology and it's lower costs (But also lower speeds) for Switch 2 game releases if the transfer rates are not an issue. (Think: Remasters/Ports from older consoles.)

Unfortunately Macronix contract lays with Nintendo and not the Publishers/Developers, so the decision is Nintendo's.



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KLXVER said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

This is lunacy, if I bought a console it's mine to do whatever I want. Whay you are telling me is you want to no longer be the owner of the console, but instead be licensed to use the console. You're are raging about software ownership while Nintendo is saying you no longer is a hardware owner, you are merely an user who bought the right to use the console. What next? They will tell you cannot resell your console? That your console can only be used for as long as they want? 

Thats kinda how it is though. Just because you own something doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it. Just like just because you own a gun doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it.

I can concede limits of rights under civil laws, hence if Nintendo want to sue me for whatever reason is their right, but having the power for removing acess to my console and library is not how do it



IcaroRibeiro said:
KLXVER said:

Thats kinda how it is though. Just because you own something doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it. Just like just because you own a gun doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it.

I can concede limits of rights under civil laws, hence if Nintendo want to sue me for whatever reason is their right, but having the power for removing acess to my console and library is not how do it

Well what else can they do to stop people from continuing to pirate games on their console?



KLXVER said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I can concede limits of rights under civil laws, hence if Nintendo want to sue me for whatever reason is their right, but having the power for removing acess to my console and library is not how do it

Well what else can they do to stop people from continuing to pirate games on their console?

They can't. It's a risky on their bussines. Every busisnes will have some degree of a risk

What they absolutely can't do is to punish a consumer removing their access over things we already own 

To make it clear

If someone steal groceries in a shop you don't go to their houses and take to the trash can other things they have already paid for