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Does Nintendo need a system like this...

Yes. 17 43.59%
 
No. 22 56.41%
 
Maybe. Idk. I don't play ... 0 0%
 
Total:39

Don't bother with Platinum, he's just a troll with a weird grudge against Nintendo



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curl-6 said:

Don't bother with Platinum, he's just a troll with a weird grudge against Nintendo

I can't imagine living a life waking up in the morning and choosing to be an idiot.



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curl-6 said:

Don't bother with Platinum, he's just a troll with a weird grudge against Nintendo

That is about 4 or 5 times now that you have posted solely for the purpose to tell people not to interact with me. I'm reporting you.



Going by Platinums logic, Sony and Nintendo are now neck and neck. 129 million active users each. So there is no point fighting. Another way to look at it would be which is moving the most software and PS4 has slowed down quite a lot this past year, PC accounts amount to Jack shit and the PS5 is doing amazing but I'd reckon, without looking, that Nintendo is winning on this one. Maybe not revenue off the software, mind, 30% of 1.99 is a small cut compared to 30% of the bigger games selling on Sony systems. There are a great deal of things Sony is loosing on with this battle and same for Nintendo and you really have to get into the weeds about what type of costumer owns these systems, what are they buying to figure out which is leading the market and then there's the fact of the Switch lite which is a handheld and how many of them don't count as the console market. This fight is too messy.



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
VersusEvil said:

You mean it HAS the most sales. Nothing else currently in the market has outsold it. Also the 3DS is irrelevant coz Switch outsold it. The PS4 is also irrelevant coz the Switch outsold it. I mean, considering it’s the market leader and has outsold everything currently on the market without COD & GTA then yes, it’s the true market leader. It doesn’t need the best selling games to be the best selling system. That’s market leadership right there.

Going by your logic I could say Switch is irrelevant because PS2 outsold it. It's just ridiculous to judge success on sales numbers alone instead of active users. 

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LegitHyperbole said:

Going by Platinums logic, Sony and Nintendo are now neck and neck. 129 million active users each. So there is no point fighting. Another way to look at it would be which is moving the most software and PS4 has slowed down quite a lot this past year, PC accounts amount to Jack shit and the PS5 is doing amazing but I'd reckon, without looking, that Nintendo is winning on this one. Maybe not revenue off the software, mind, 30% of 1.99 is a small cut compared to 30% of the bigger games selling on Sony systems. There are a great deal of things Sony is loosing on with this battle and same for Nintendo and you really have to get into the weeds about what type of costumer owns these systems, what are they buying to figure out which is leading the market and then there's the fact of the Switch lite which is a handheld and how many of them don't count as the console market. This fight is too messy.

I will admit, I didn't realise the Switch had 129 million active users. That really shocked me when I saw that on X. I've never said the Switch wasn't successful though, only that it's not the market leader. It's very obvious to see who the market leader because the platform that is leading the market is the primary target platform for development of games, and that platform has been the PS5 for almost 5 years now.

This market leader discussion is really important because you get people saying "well they can do whatever it doesn't matter because they're market leaders". Well, if they're not market leaders, they need a strategy that allows them to become market leader. Part of that strategy could be something like adding achievements like PlayStation has. Trophies are extremely popular and trophy hunting videos on YouTube get millions of hits. Even I watch them



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Shaunodon said:

The market leader in console gaming doesn't 'need' to do anything.

Nintendo are NOT the market leaders. When GTA6 launches, you'll see who the real market leader really is.

GTA6 being in development isn't relevant.

Nintendo Switch currently has a 58.4% marketshare. That's not just a market lead, but a majority marketshare. That's why we call Nintendo the market leader of the dedicated console space

Source: https://www.vgchartz.com/



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Jumpin said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Nintendo are NOT the market leaders. When GTA6 launches, you'll see who the real market leader really is.

GTA6 being in development isn't relevant.

Nintendo Switch currently has a 58.4% marketshare. That's not just a market lead, but a majority marketshare. That's why we call Nintendo the market leader of the dedicated console space

Source: https://www.vgchartz.com/

Then why do all the third party developers have the PS5 as their main platform for development? Are the publishers just too stupid to know who's market leader and don't know what platform to develop their games for?



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Jumpin said:

GTA6 being in development isn't relevant.

Nintendo Switch currently has a 58.4% marketshare. That's not just a market lead, but a majority marketshare. That's why we call Nintendo the market leader of the dedicated console space

Source: https://www.vgchartz.com/

Then why do all the third party developers have the PS5 as their main platform for development? Are the publishers just too stupid to know who's market leader and don't know what platform to develop their games for?

So you can't do simple math, but have the energy to move those goalposts I see. If you have to ask why in the most obvious answer. You must be trolling or wear a bike helmet everywhere you go.



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Nintendo has the best achievement system because they have none. Approaching game design with a "one size fits all" approach is stupid. Additionally, you have to consider that multiplatform games can have their entire achievement lists on a Nintendo console, yet most third party developers choose to omit them; that should give you an idea how much value they think achievements add to their games.

Also, if achievement systems had a significant impact on keeping gamers in an ecosystem, then why do so many people have no problem whatsoever to leave Xbox behind? Microsoft was the first company to implement an overarching achievement system.

The truth of the matter is that outside of a small percentage of gamers who care about achievements, there's not even a middleground, meaning that the vast majority doesn't give a damn. Because at the end of the day an achievement system is nothing more than a more elaborate online leaderboard for high scores and the vast majority of gamers doesn't care about online rankings in any other form either.

Even the original poster recognizes that achievements are about a false sense of accomplishment. Indeed, it's about making people buy more games to drive up a score, because making better games as an incentive to get people to buy more games is much more difficult.

Is Xenoblade Chronicles X one of the best RPGs ever because its achievement list has more than 500 entries? Of course, because that's what anyone ever talks about when they mention the game.



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