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IcaroRibeiro said:
LegitHyperbole said:

And if a phone is a chrome book, a chrome book is a laptop and a laptop is a PC then a phone is a PC. 

Smartphones are computers

PC just means Personal Computer. Which was a term created to set personal computers apart from minicomputers or mainframes.

Laptops are also personal computers

I thought it was common sense?

Yeah but I suppose the argument is that they are mobile devices that are separate. When they started off they weren't exactly vlose to computers but as their hardware and software has progressed the sentiment around them hasn't. 



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LegitHyperbole said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Smartphones are computers

PC just means Personal Computer. Which was a term created to set personal computers apart from minicomputers or mainframes.

Laptops are also personal computers

I thought it was common sense?

Yeah but I suppose the argument is that they are mobile devices that are separate. When they started off they weren't exactly vlose to computers but as their hardware and software has progressed the sentiment around them hasn't. 

Old electronic cell phones (and it's important to make this distinction) were also computers. Software-wise, they were what we call embedded systems, specialized computers designed for dedicated functions. However, they were not personal computers because personal computers have operating systems designed for general-purpose use, not a single dedicated function. Some old cellphones "blurred" the lines between PCs and cellphones, phones running Symbian OS or BlackBerry OS had limited general-purpose features, including app installations


Smartphones, on the other hand, are unequivocally personal computers. There’s no debate about it. They are versatile devices with fully-fledged operating systems (Android being largely based on Linux core, but lacking a GNU and standard POSIX or Linux APIs) capable of handling a wide range of tasks, just like traditional personal computers. You may argue they are particular category of a personal computers, because they feature portability and touch-screen, but so are laptops relative to stationary home computers.



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
EricHiggin said:

Does the Switch come with everything in the box, or do you need to purchase the battery or dock separately?

As long as it comes with all that, right from launch, it's a (handheld console) hybrid.

If two car manufacturers developed a car that could transform into a boat with a push of a button, but only one included the transformation button with the first sale package, would we discount/disregard the other one being a hybrid just because it didn't come with it at the start? I just don't understand this logic or reasoning. You can't just disregard features because you didn't get everything you needed to access that feature inside the box. 

So you're saying the PS5 Portal makes the PS5 a handheld or hybrid? It doesn't come with the PS5 but it works with it to allow you to play PS5 games away from your tv or console.

Not enough of a distance? What if someone buys a separate range extender for their wireless router so they can game from another building down the street? Sounds mobile enough then to me.

Whether Nin went to the trouble of housing everything in the main body or not, using a cable or wireless adapter to connect to the tv, it still does so out of the box. Switch Lite shouldn't count technically, but since all Switch sales are combined, there's really nothing you can do but accept it as part of the total.



EricHiggin said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

If two car manufacturers developed a car that could transform into a boat with a push of a button, but only one included the transformation button with the first sale package, would we discount/disregard the other one being a hybrid just because it didn't come with it at the start? I just don't understand this logic or reasoning. You can't just disregard features because you didn't get everything you needed to access that feature inside the box. 

So you're saying the PS5 Portal makes the PS5 a handheld or hybrid? It doesn't come with the PS5 but it works with it to allow you to play PS5 games away from your tv or console.

Not enough of a distance? What if someone buys a separate range extender for their wireless router so they can game from another building down the street? Sounds mobile enough then to me.

Whether Nin went to the trouble of housing everything in the main body or not, using a cable or wireless adapter to connect to the tv, it still does so out of the box. Switch Lite shouldn't count technically, but since all Switch sales are combined, there's really nothing you can do but accept it as part of the total.

We're talking about single functioning products here. With your example it reads like, Is a motorbike a boat just because it can fit on one and be sailed around? no of course not. The PS portal is not a single functioning product so it is irrelevant. Cables do not count as single functioning products, they just count as part of the package of a single functioning product. Your saying we can't include the PSP with the Switch because it requires a cable and the cable is another product entirely. A cable is not a single functioning product and can not detract from the fact that the PSP can connect/be played on a TV in exactly the same way a switch can  



Yeah, I am not opposed to counting PS portal as PS5 model that is portable and digital with mandatory online. A standalone product wich is another option that Sony is giving to get in the PS5 family



 

 

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IcaroRibeiro said:
LegitHyperbole said:

And if a phone is a chrome book, a chrome book is a laptop and a laptop is a PC then a phone is a PC. 

Smartphones are computers

PC just means Personal Computer. Which was a term created to set personal computers apart from minicomputers or mainframes.

Laptops are also personal computers

I thought it was common sense?

A smartphone is a mobile device made for phoning first and formore. Its no computer. Or a PC is a TV dependend on processors or a gamesconsole stuck in a big box. I would never own a PC. I would rather pay 5000€ for an Xbox/ Playstation/ Nintendo system before i would take an expensive PC as a present. 



killer7 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Smartphones are computers

PC just means Personal Computer. Which was a term created to set personal computers apart from minicomputers or mainframes.

Laptops are also personal computers

I thought it was common sense?

A smartphone is a mobile device made for phoning first and formore. Its no computer. Or a PC is a TV dependend on processors or a gamesconsole stuck in a big box. I would never own a PC. I would rather pay 5000€ for an Xbox/ Playstation/ Nintendo system before i would take an expensive PC as a present. 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Smartphones are personal computers. 

A TV is an electronic device that is mostly embedded. Smart TVs still have software and SO dedicated mostly to watching shows or movies, although they are still in gray area I'd say it's a matter of time until TVs also turn in full fledged stationary personal computers, just like Smartphones. Some of them already make use of a modified version of Android, it won't take too long until they start supporting things like coding or document editing 



IcaroRibeiro said:
killer7 said:

A smartphone is a mobile device made for phoning first and formore. Its no computer. Or a PC is a TV dependend on processors or a gamesconsole stuck in a big box. I would never own a PC. I would rather pay 5000€ for an Xbox/ Playstation/ Nintendo system before i would take an expensive PC as a present. 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Smartphones are personal computers. 

A TV is an electronic device that is mostly embedded. Smart TVs still have software and SO dedicated mostly to watching shows or movies, although they are still in gray area I'd say it's a matter of time until TVs also turn in full fledged stationary personal computers, just like Smartphones. Some of them already make use of a modified version of Android, it won't take too long until they start supporting things like coding or document editing 

A TV is no computer! A smartphone is also no computer! If anything a PC Monitor is a TV! Its a modded TV made for the belongings of PCs. I have a very clear mind what i am talking about. Just because PCs get more obsolet over the years does not make other devices that steal not long time ago "exclusive PC functions" computers. If the PC looses just call the better device a PC. 

I have a 20.000$ high end homecinema. I can get surroundsound in a way no PC can give me. Is my 20.000$ high end home cinema a PC now?🤣😂



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
EricHiggin said:

So you're saying the PS5 Portal makes the PS5 a handheld or hybrid? It doesn't come with the PS5 but it works with it to allow you to play PS5 games away from your tv or console.

Not enough of a distance? What if someone buys a separate range extender for their wireless router so they can game from another building down the street? Sounds mobile enough then to me.

Whether Nin went to the trouble of housing everything in the main body or not, using a cable or wireless adapter to connect to the tv, it still does so out of the box. Switch Lite shouldn't count technically, but since all Switch sales are combined, there's really nothing you can do but accept it as part of the total.

We're talking about single functioning products here. With your example it reads like, Is a motorbike a boat just because it can fit on one and be sailed around? no of course not. The PS portal is not a single functioning product so it is irrelevant. Cables do not count as single functioning products, they just count as part of the package of a single functioning product. Your saying we can't include the PSP with the Switch because it requires a cable and the cable is another product entirely. A cable is not a single functioning product and can not detract from the fact that the PSP can connect/be played on a TV in exactly the same way a switch can.

The first PSP model can't connect to TV. Later PSP's can but they didn't even come with the TV connection cable did they? I thought that was an extra accessory. If PSP can't connect to a TV without later revisions, plus something extra, then it's really no different than my PS5 Portal point.

PS5 isn't a VR device. You can buy the extra VR set and make the PS5 a VR device, but VR set, the Portal, or a cable, are useless on their own. Switch came with everything you needed for home or mobile play out of the box, because the main selling point is that it can do both, no extra's, no hassle.

You could try and say PSP is the second best selling hybrid ever, but I doubt many would agree.



killer7 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

You have no idea what you're talking about. Smartphones are personal computers. 

A TV is an electronic device that is mostly embedded. Smart TVs still have software and SO dedicated mostly to watching shows or movies, although they are still in gray area I'd say it's a matter of time until TVs also turn in full fledged stationary personal computers, just like Smartphones. Some of them already make use of a modified version of Android, it won't take too long until they start supporting things like coding or document editing 

A TV is no computer! A smartphone is also no computer! If anything a PC Monitor is a TV! Its a modded TV made for the belongings of PCs. I have a very clear mind what i am talking about. Just because PCs get more obsolet over the years does not make other devices that steal not long time ago "exclusive PC functions" computers. If the PC looses just call the better device a PC. 

I have a 20.000$ high end homecinema. I can get surroundsound in a way no PC can give me. Is my 20.000$ high end home cinema a PC now?🤣😂

As I thought, you have no idea you're talking about. Consoles are also computers, just not Personal (general-purpose) computers, as they are used for specialized purpose (gaming) with media features being secondary 

Please study a bit what a computer is, internet is here (and running on computers). You are free to educated yourself!