Yeah, maybe but not for the main character, Arthur is the best looking character Rovkstar ever made and he's an outlaw int he west in a time before modern health care. Chances are he'd be missing teeth, puvkmarks all over his face and just not that goodlooking. I think it made that game better for it, the GTA cast looked like three random dudes and I never once gave a fuck what I was wearing until I made a hot character online. RdR2 I actually grinded to outside Arthur in some swag and kinda played into the system with heat and cold clothes even though you can ignore that system entirely, all cause he's handsome AF. No other reason and that enhanced the game. If it were war you can scuff up a good looking character with scars and it takes little away, see Geralt in TW3 is covered in scars but it doesn't matter. I think that's the approach that should be taken instead on going for an ugly character. 

I'm not saying the chick in Returnal is ugly, she's not but would it not be better if you had a secy character on screen. I think it would seriously help that game. Same with the new Tomb raider, not ugly bit not physically sit either or womanly or very pretty. 

Do you disagree with that possibility? I seem to recall you mentioning that you worry when games have ugly characters that the games are focussing more on "woke" things than making a good game. Seems obvious to me that you could also focus too much on making your characters hot (like the development of boob physics in DOA) to the detriment of other parts of the game being ignored. 

I suppose that vould be true but at least it isn't this ham fisted horrible modern nonsense that goes into the games. With FF14 they really give the players what they want (not that I'm into this, I' not and I kinda hate it tbh) with these cat girls and cat guys and new races like that with specified gear and cosmetics, yeah sure that can take resources away from other parts of the game but it would make the game a lot lesser for those gamers who pay for the game and love it but they give in other ways across the game too and make a high quality product. It tends to be the case more often than not that this is in itself a sign that the studio is going to make a solid product and across the board give their audience what the audience wants. I find this to be the case more often than not, much of the stuff I'm not into and stay clear of it's also the case like Genshin Impact, The Last Decendant, Black Desert Online and so on. 

The same can be said about VG or Dragons Dogma 2, they made these insanely robust character creators with loads of resources thrown at it but you can't make a womanly woman and only a Dad version of a manly man. No athletic bodies, no insanely defined bodies like Geralt in TW3 where that game is so long and has so much vontent you may never think it will end but they managed to make plenty of cosmetic options for the player dress up Geralt to their liking. Perhaps that's a bad example, I was left wanting for more laid back non armour gear in TW3 actually. Let's say, Stellar Blade, unbelievable amounts of ompletely optional gear for the sexy lass, like 80 outfits at launch and still they made a fully featured,  masterclass action game. 

Everyone is attracted to different things :p

With character creators I usually made my character short and anorexic with minimal clothing, just so it takes up less screen space and I can see more of the game. That's for 3rd person games. Plus I'm no good at making attractive people in character editors anyway lol.

Last time I made an effort (Fallout 4)

Sorta my face shape with more hair and a beard. At least he fits into the game setting.

Actually I tried again with BG3 but kept losing the result due to bugs, starting over, eventually gave up on the game anyway.


Yet when given the choice, I'll pick the character that looks most attractive to me. If they're gonna be in front of my face all game, better be good looking. (First person doesn't matter)

And in VR doubly so. It may not be 'right' but Mia looking pretty does make me want to protect her more, adding to the urgency in the game. Where in RE4 afterwards, Ashley looks too plastic, I had no concern for her well being at all lol. (She's an annoying brat on top of that as well)

It's very hard to make good stuff on BG3. Especially for elves. You have to change things then check all angles and change something else, spent so long on my male half elf and then as soon as he gets shown in the in game cutscenes he looks completely different. It's like they used different lighting in the creator, biggest gripe with that game so far, he looks so funky I wanna scratch my playthrough and start again, probably will with the origin characters actually. 

Speaking of VR, is there any hot characters in PSVR 2 games? I'm trying so hard right now not to give in to the sale and buy the thing as I really wanna save up for an Asus ROG and I'm already spending sp much on ps5 games, I can't stop buying the damn things even though I play a little then move onto the next one. 

BTW, your F4 character looks like he fits in a post apocalypse, there's a lot to be said about consistency like that and immersion but having an older character I assume would not suit that stories premise too well... or maybe more so, perhaps meeting your son as an older guy is more powerful... 

Considering the sorts of games that likely inspired this thread/discussion, I find the following video to be amusing and relevant:

It's not just about Stellar Blade, but touches on other games with sexy characters like Bayonetta, Nier Automata, Baldur's Gate 3, FF7 Rebirth, etc.

Two hours. Whoah, I'll added it to my list for Podcast games. Can you do a TLDR though?

I guess it depends. Imagine if they made Bayonetta ugly.

Imagine they took her personality away too, that's something they'd do. All those moves she does for style would go out the window cause they'd be confused for sexulization. None of it would be allowed. Hats off to Nintendo for housing Beyonetta though and not stripping that back. 👏 

Mia Winters and Lady Dimitrescu is about it. The characters RE4 already look too fake/plastic. There's Alloy making a brief appearance in CotM and its fun to poke characters in the face and ears in that game lol. (Imagine having to mocap the reactions haha)

However the rest is all low poly, low detail. I got more 'presence' from characters on PSVR1 than PSVR2. The higher resolution and lower detail characters just makes them look fake.