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Leynos said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Everyone I know in real life with one is a casual, my nieces, cousins, aunt and uncles and I have two and I have one and I use it casually. It's the DS audience/wii audience, majority just casual. There's nothing wrong with it. Why is it a bad thing? You don't actually think there is 150 million hardcore gamers out there do you?

PS/xbox/PC have casuals too it's just that Nintendo draws more casuals in than the rest, they make their hardware to target those people. It's literally the year one ad campaign. 

This is total nonsense.

Sure. 



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What an amazing thread. The original poster makes two false claims (A and B) and everyone who responds to the thread just goes along with it.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

It would take...
1. Getting close to current Xbox and PlayStation consoles in specs while also being easy to develop for (the easy to develop for I think is settled, the specs won't be due to the hybrid nature that's sure to stick). Switch 2 might be moderately underpowered in docked compared to Series S. No way is it touching Series X or PS5.
2. Robust online. Nintendo lacks most online features that have been the standard since Xbox 360 in 2005.

And even then, Nintendo games would still get a lot more sales. Nintendo players overwhelming come for the Nintendo games. PlayStation players come for a handful of Sony games usually and most of the sales are third-party. Xbox players might get a few Microsoft games on average, as they mostly play them on Game Pass.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 115 million (was 105 million) Xbox Series S/X: 48 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

The Switch has already seen third party sales improve dramatically compared to their last few systems, just through offering an appealing platform on which to play them.
Witcher 3 or It Takes Two or Yakuza Kiwami may not be high resolution or 60fps on Switch, but you can't take your PS or Xbox on the bus with you.



RolStoppable said:

What an amazing thread. The original poster makes two false claims (A and B) and everyone who responds to the thread just goes along with it.

I think most just ignored that part, and answered what it would take to grow 3rd party adoption rates on Nintendo.
Which seems to be the essence of what hes getting at, rather than debate how close he is with A) and B).



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JRPGfan said:
RolStoppable said:

What an amazing thread. The original poster makes two false claims (A and B) and everyone who responds to the thread just goes along with it.

I think most just ignored that part, and answered what it would take to grow 3rd party adoption rates on Nintendo.
Which seems to be the essence of what hes getting at, rather than debate how close he is with A) and B).

The essence of what he's getting at is "I read something in another place, what do you guys think about it?", which he should be known for by now.

Your second post in this thread is awful, by the way. You said B might be true.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

3rd parties won't prioritize Nintendo systems until they are as easy to develop for as other consoles. XB gets tons of 3rd parties because it easy to develop for not because the market is bigger than Nintendo. I don't think Nintendo will ever go for something easy, they like to stand out especially for their 1st party games.



RolStoppable said:
JRPGfan said:

I think most just ignored that part, and answered what it would take to grow 3rd party adoption rates on Nintendo.
Which seems to be the essence of what hes getting at, rather than debate how close he is with A) and B).

The essence of what he's getting at is "I read something in another place, what do you guys think about it?", which he should be known for by now.

Your second post in this thread is awful, by the way. You said B might be true.

this is my post:

JRPGfan said:

"B: That PS5 can sell as many 3rd party games in a quarter as the Switch does in its entire lifespan. "

While that might be true.... ultimately what matters is just the total software sales.
And while PlayStation has higher software sales, its not by insane amounts.

Switch seems to have topped around 230m software sales pr year (it goes up and down)
While PS4+5 sales (sony lump them together), in the same time frame are like 300m+ at its peak (and seem abit more consistant than the Switch's software sales).

However if you factor in how much more first party sales Nintendo has.... and how much cheaper they make their games.
I bet you Nintendo is making more profit (if not revenue) on software sales, than Sony currently.


I basically wrote that "while it might be true", as a I can't bother arguing that part.
And the rest of it is.... the software sales amounts aren't that big between them (which is ultimately all that matters).
Over last 4 years, switch had between 160m-230m sales pr year in software. While on PS4+PS5, they are much the same, just abit higher reaching upwards of 300m+ instead. 

This is not a "in 1 quarter does PS sell more than nintendo does lifetime" posting by me (as OP claimed).
So I'm actually saying the opposite.

Your take away is "You said B might be true." ?



KrspaceT said:


A: typically 80% of game sales on the Switch are 1st party. 

This is false.

The stat was rather that 80% of Nintendo's software revenue comes from their own games.

Third party sales were about 50% of all Switch software sales as of two years ago:



JRPGfan said:
RolStoppable said:

The essence of what he's getting at is "I read something in another place, what do you guys think about it?", which he should be known for by now.

Your second post in this thread is awful, by the way. You said B might be true.

this is my post:

JRPGfan said:

"B: That PS5 can sell as many 3rd party games in a quarter as the Switch does in its entire lifespan. "

While that might be true.... ultimately what matters is just the total software sales.
And while PlayStation has higher software sales, its not by insane amounts.

Switch seems to have topped around 230m software sales pr year (it goes up and down)
While PS4+5 sales (sony lump them together), in the same time frame are like 300m+ at its peak (and seem abit more consistant than the Switch's software sales).

However if you factor in how much more first party sales Nintendo has.... and how much cheaper they make their games.
I bet you Nintendo is making more profit (if not revenue) on software sales, than Sony currently.


I basically wrote that "while it might be true", as a I can't bother arguing that part.
And the rest of it is.... the software sales amounts aren't that big between them.
Over last 4 years, switch had between 160m-230m sales pr year in software. While on PS4+PS5, they are much the same, just abit higher reaching upwards of 300m+ instead. 

This is not a "in 1 quarter does PS sell more than nintendo does lifetime" posting by me.
So I'm actually saying the opposite.

Your take away is "You said B might be true." ?

When something is blatant bullshit, you don't begin your response with "this might be true." But let's just put that down as English not being your first language.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.