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The UK rioters are made up of...

The Far right 13 54.17%
 
Some Far right, mostly normal people. 2 8.33%
 
Normal everyday working class people 6 25.00%
 
A mix of both 3 12.50%
 
Total:24
IcaroRibeiro said:

I believe they are mostly far right because normal people don't go crazy attacking other unrelated people

But anyway, their political instance is not important. Whatever they believe about immigrants and people of colour, they crossed the line with those riots, time to UK enforce the law

I just wanna add that most people in the 2011 and 2020 riots were normal everyday people. When the black man was shot in 2011 it was everyone across the political spectrum and they're mothers, why is it so suddenly only far right or far left who do this kind. The people who have over thrown their governemnts, dictatorships, monarchies in the past were almost always certainly normal people pushed to their limit. 



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LegitHyperbole said:

Also, I wanted to discuss with someone, would the EU be able to keep our health public had NATO and our defence through it wasn''t there anymore? Do you think if we had to pay for defence in a Cold War like scenario would we still be able to exercise so much of our social policies like free health care?

Oh this is an interesting discussion point, because it can be looked at in so many different ways.

The obvious one is that the EU is not really great at efficient spending. No government is really, but the EU takes the cake. There is a lot to be said with more efficient spending that we could have a independent NATO defense budget, while maintain social security policies that we have today. Is this likely to happen though? Probably not.

Another consideration is that the EU does not really have a defense budget. It's the separate countries and they all have separate priorities. Take France, it got a surprising amount of oversees territories and much of it's defense budget is focused on that.

The elephant in the room is....what for? Obviously the discussion is relevant because Russia invaded Ukraine. But is this because Biden blabbermouthed that Ukraine could become NATO, or that Putin want to create an even bigger Russia empire.

I don't know. Seems Russia is already pretty big and they don't want NATO at 500km from Moscow.

In other words, what is the Russian threat to let's say my home country of the Netherlands really? My opinion. Pretty low.



The UK has been a disaster since Brexit and the people are simply fed up. This was just the excise that was necessary for a lot of people to riot. It's mist likely largely the same group that also rioted during COVID.

However we have been blaming Immigrants for basically all problems in Europe for so long that a lot of people think that without immigrants there would be no problems.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar



For people saying they don't riot over other issues and it's only cause of immigration. Here's one from some weeks ago.  

And for those who said it's because of race after the shooting of a young black man. Here's from 2011. These people definitely weren't far right. Seem familiar?

It's everyday normal people being labeled as nazis



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LegitHyperbole said:

Also, I wanted to discuss with someone, would the EU be able to keep our health public had NATO and our defence through it wasn''t there anymore? Do you think if we had to pay for defence in a Cold War like scenario would we still be able to exercise so much of our social policies like free health care?

Yes.

Public/Universal health care/hybrid systems tend to cost less and provide better quality care for the taxpayer than systems like the USA use.



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Pemalite said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Also, I wanted to discuss with someone, would the EU be able to keep our health public had NATO and our defence through it wasn''t there anymore? Do you think if we had to pay for defence in a Cold War like scenario would we still be able to exercise so much of our social policies like free health care?

Yes.

Public/Universal health care/hybrid systems tend to cost less and provide better quality care for the taxpayer than systems like the USA use.

Yes. I know and I love it, we have a hybrid system here. However if we had a defence budget and the US wasn't there to back us up with their immense military spening, how would we? Can you elaborate on yes, we are very highly taxed as is. 



Normal everyday working people tired of africans invading their country and killing and raping their woman. The far right doesnt exist kiddies, just in you delusional leftist worldview.



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LegitHyperbole said:

Also, I wanted to discuss with someone, would the EU be able to keep our health public had NATO and our defence through it wasn''t there anymore? Do you think if we had to pay for defence in a Cold War like scenario would we still be able to exercise so much of our social policies like free health care?

Yes.

Public/Universal health care/hybrid systems tend to cost less and provide better quality care for the taxpayer than systems like the USA use.

Not my experience.  Good luck finding a specialist in the UK, takes 6 months.  In the US finding a specialist took a couple days.  The irony being public healthcare is so "good" the company I work for starting offering private coverage akin to the US.  Nothing like having private because public is so bad.

To be far NHS was fine for normal/simple stuff, like a head cold or flu shot.  It was terrible for anything more complex.  

As someone who has experienced both systems, I would have rather have the US system.  Sure it is more "expensive" but taxes are massively lower compared to the EU...  making the US cheaper despite healthcare costs.  

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LegitHyperbole said:

Also, I wanted to discuss with someone, would the EU be able to keep our health public had NATO and our defence through it wasn''t there anymore? Do you think if we had to pay for defence in a Cold War like scenario would we still be able to exercise so much of our social policies like free health care?

“Free” healthcare is financed in two ways:
A) by raising taxes
B) by waiting lists (where you are not treated)
C) A + B