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Renamed said:

1. She officially became a candidate on July 21st.  The Obama's officially endorsed her on July 26th.  5 days is quick in politics.   That said, the videotaped phone call showed her wearing a tan suit.  The same suit she was seen wearing 2 days before in several interviews.  That means a couple of things.  A, they endorsed her far earlier than the date of the publicly released campaign video.  B, They slight delay was more about planning the endorsement video, staging the right suit (the parallel to Obama getting absolute hell for wearing a tan suit in 2014 is notable), filming the video between events, editing the video, scheduling when to publish. C, The latter was important so it doesn't over take any other endorsement/campaign news.

2. She gained the necessary delegates the day after announcing her candidacy.  That locked it in right then.  Any news agency saying it could potentially still be someone else after July 22nd, either wasn't familiar with the nominating process or was just stirring stuff up for clicks.  She needed 1975 delegates and by 10:15 pm that night, she already had 2,208.

3 and 4. Michelle has no actual political background.  An announcement by Michelle Obama submitting her candidacy would have been met with a small segment of excitement that would have been overwhelmed by confusion, frustration and even anger.  The same could be said of Oprah Winfrey.  And for the record, I have never heard any discussion for either as candidates EXCEPT from right wing media.  Jesse Waters and Sean Hannity have both said their names as potential candidates within the past few years. 

4. Guesses are absolutely understandable and even expected but they are typically suggested based on some merits.  At least by serious news agencies and commentators. You will always see protest votes where someone writes in a celebrity for president but you'll never see them mentioned as a serious candidate for president (trying not to knock Trump here).

5. I haven't had time yet to dig deep into the potential VP picks yet.  I've mentioned a couple of names and that I'd be happy with just about any of the names that came up on the short list.  Surface level, I'm ok with her selection and I don't expect my initial reactive feeling to change much later on.  The selection feels vetted, scrutinized, made only after careful consideration.

1. Hmm she still isn’t the definitive pick given that she is still only a presumptive nominee. She just happens to be unopposed as most delegates are choosing her. Also just because you have all the delegates necessary does not make you the official candidate as the delegate only at the time of the DNC convention make the final choice. Which hasn’t happened yet. 

These were sent after the virtual call (which I thought meant she would be the official candidate, but I guess I was wrong here too). Sounds like they are gonna have a lot of trouble getting on 8 state ballots then.

She is official now.  The roll call vote was from August 1st to August 5th 6pm.  Certification of the results happened August 6th so she became the official nomination on August 6th.  Friday, enough votes have been cast to make her official but it could not be official by rules till the voting time ended and results certified.  The convention vote is just for show and have 0 power base on the DNC rules.



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BFR said:

You guys crack me up. So many of you have your panties in a bunch over who will win in November. Look, it doesn't matter who wins, your life will be no different, unless your a weirdo, .....:)...or to elaborate....you are a non-conformist !!!!

Well, tthis is generally untrue. Politics is about things that affect people, if nobody cares it doesn't get political. Point in case: the internetz were for decades completely ignored by politics, until the 90s when enough people started using it and suddenly it popped up in politics. First demonized then all over the place. And politics will regulate shit. So yeah, politics affect your life. Sometimes more, sometimes less. How much and in which way strongly depends on both you, the politicians in question abd the current situation. But claiming politics will not affecting your life is ignoring what politics does. If it would've no effect on your life, then politics would be pointless. But it actually does. Although politicians tend to not stir up too much, as they want to get reelected.



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BFR said:

You guys crack me up. So many of you have your panties in a bunch over who will win in November. Look, it doesn't matter who wins, your life will be no different, unless your a weirdo, .....:)...or to elaborate....you are a non-conformist !!!!

Hard disagree. Most of the time that is relatively accurate but a Trump 2.0 administration will be different. He can distance himself from Project 2025 all he wants but the people he is going to hire want to implement it. All the people who told Trump no the first time around are gone. 

I used roll my eyes a bit at people who lived in constant Trump drama but after watching him try to overturn an election I do not trust him. 

Also as someone who works in government/politics I can point to hundreds of things that make a big difference in thousands of peoples lives but most people won't notice.

Examples

  • Capping insulin prices for seniors,
  • More than 10,200 bridges are being rebuilt, repaired, or modernized thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. (Trump tried and failed).
  • CHIPS and Science Act has led to hundreds of thousands of new high paying jobs in advanced manufacturing. If you have one of those jobs you are impacted.
  • On a local level, we have been able to get $$ for drinking water infrastructure for our rural towns that cannot afford to fix their aging pipes alone.
  • Republicans Farm Bill will reduce SNAP benefits by $30 billion over next ten years. Anyone who needed that program will fill that effect if passed. Due to the current cuts our Foodbanks are seeing need at a higher level than the pandemic. 

Elections matter and have consequences. Most people just don't realize it until they are impacted by policy change or need help from a program.

Earlier in the thread, I mentioned Biden's student loan debt forgiveness plan that was thwarted in court thanks to Republican interference. Even though we weren't able to get our debts wiped out as originally planned, I and many I know are still feeling some positive repercussions of it. I mentioned that a friend of mine told me how the records of his SLD were removed from his credit history, which gave him a much healthier credit score and not only increased his purchasing power but allowed him to make lower down payments on appliances and furniture at a time where every dollar counted. In my own life, thanks to the SAVE plan (combined with the public service loan forgiveness program offered by the Federal Student Aid department), I haven't had to make any actual payments on my student loans since 2020 while still getting credit toward monthly payments. This has allowed me to take the money I would have had to use toward paying that debt and instead purchase a new vehicle while giving my older one to my girlfriend who desperately needed one. It's also given me the confidence to make other long-term purchases like a bed and mattress, and start working toward buying a house.

Sorry, I know that was all very anecdotal and a lot to read, but that was my personal story of how I came to realize how much politics and policy matter. I may be hard anti-Trump, but it's not just because he's Satan in leathery skin that is vaguely human, but because I live an an area where so many people would benefit from policies meant to help the common person instead of policies meant to take other people's rights and liberties away while giving tax breaks to the ones who need them least.



burninmylight said:

I may be hard anti-Trump, but it's not just because he's Satan in leathery skin that is vaguely human, but because I live an an area where so many people would benefit from policies meant to help the common person instead of policies meant to take other people's rights and liberties away while giving tax breaks to the ones who need them least.

A lot of people don’t seem to be able to comprehend this. People don’t support progressive policies because they hate Trump, they hate Trump because he’s against their progressive beliefs.



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zorg1000 said:
burninmylight said:

I may be hard anti-Trump, but it's not just because he's Satan in leathery skin that is vaguely human, but because I live an an area where so many people would benefit from policies meant to help the common person instead of policies meant to take other people's rights and liberties away while giving tax breaks to the ones who need them least.

A lot of people don’t seem to be able to comprehend this. People don’t support progressive policies because they hate Trump, they hate Trump because he’s against their progressive beliefs.

Republicans always try to boil it down to “mean tweets” or “orange man bad,” rather than the fact that he’s dangerously incompetent, has poor impulse control (not something you want from someone who has access to trillions of dollars’ worth of bombs, guns, and tanks), and is willing to take people’s basic rights away to pander to people who follow an 1850s perversion of Christianity. 



BFR said:

You guys crack me up. So many of you have your panties in a bunch over who will win in November. Look, it doesn't matter who wins, your life will be no different, unless your a weirdo, .....:)...or to elaborate....you are a non-conformist !!!!

I'd like my grandmother in law back.  She was deported after 40+ years here because of Trump's policies.  She died 3 months later.


My oldest son's girlfriend had to go to another state to receive the proper healthcare because the Trump appointed SCOTUS's overturned a 50 year ruling they promised they wouldn't touch.  They were literally days away from disaster.

Trump's influential partners are even threatening to remove substantive due process rulings such as the one the held Roe v Wade together.  This would also open up overturning prior case law such as Loving v Virginia (interracial marriage - meaning my wife (who is biracial) would not exist) and Griswold v Connecticut (allows for contraceptives).

All for starters just for me personally.


You have to be heavily insulated from law (re: wealthy) if you don't think that electing the right person can have dire consequences.



To the privileged, equality feels like oppression. 

A Trump supporter asks him a valid question about what he plans to do about high rent prices. His response: Drill baby drill, the price of bacon is insane, everything was better when he was prez, and China

EDIT: added the bolded words to be more clear. Not trying to imply that Trump is literally calling bacon insane, just the price of it. As if he has ever gone grocery shopping a day in his life.

https://x.com/therecount/status/182119192421847460https://x.com/therecount/status/1821191924218474604

https://x.com/therecount/status/1821191924218474604

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Renamed said:
BFR said:

You guys crack me up. So many of you have your panties in a bunch over who will win in November. Look, it doesn't matter who wins, your life will be no different, unless your a weirdo, .....:)...or to elaborate....you are a non-conformist !!!!

You have to be heavily insulated from law (re: wealthy) if you don't think that electing the right person can have dire consequences.

Exactly, the only way that “both sides are the same” and “elections don’t matter” is if you’re a highly privileged person. You’re not a racial/religious minority, female or LGBT so you don’t need to worry about your rights being taken away or discriminated against and you make enough money that cuts to things like safety net programs, healthcare & education don’t affect you.



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burninmylight said:

A Trump supporter asks him a valid question about what he plans to do about high rent prices. His response: Drill baby drill, bacon is insane, everything was better when he was prez, and China

https://x.com/therecount/status/182119192421847460https://x.com/therecount/status/1821191924218474604

https://x.com/therecount/status/1821191924218474604

Further proof that Republicans are not better with the economy like they get credit for.

Trump just goes on about how prices were lower when he was president but doesn’t give any legitimate plans to make that happen again or what he specifically did to make the economy strong in 2017-2019.

He came into his presidency after 7 consecutive years of steady GDP growth, declining unemployment rate & low inflation. All he did was not fuck up Obama’s economy before Covid hit.



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