The 3050 can run any game on the PS5/XSX that is on the PC. So that's kind of a dumb analogy.

Switch 2 will have many, many PS5 games that don't run on a PS4 period. So it's a PS4 that plays a lot of PS5 games ... which makes it not a PS4 a anymore. No one cares what label you want to put on it. Some people sure have a hard on for needing a label on everything to comprehend it, if there's something that doesn't quite fit that label it's like their brain stops working.

And lol at crowing over a phone pocket device running a modern game at pretty decent performance with no active cooling that's smaller than a Switch and fits in your pocket. That's a great achievement and iPhone gaming will only get better every year because every iPhone from here on out will have even better performance than that, that is the ground floor. 

Laughing at that is like laughing at a 14 year old who is a bit clumsy but is also 6 foot 9 and already dunking on grown men in pick up basketball. That kid could easily be a monster in 4-5 years. The M3 chip that's going to be in iPads is going to run next-gen games full stop on the go. 

Exactly my point.  Based on your "run same games are different setting" logic:

3050=ps5=4090

#samegamesdifferentsettings

Heck we should take it a step further.  Super Mario RPG is on the SNES and switch, albeit the graphics are different but it is the same gagame.

SNES=switch 

Basically you want to lab hardware on game lineup while the accepted is labeling hardware based on specifications and visual output.  

Your analogy only works if the Super NES could run the actual Switch version of Mario RPG Remake, which is a different game.

If the Super NES could do that, then fuck obviously yes, that completely changes what the SNES hardware is. 

A PS4 isn't a PS4 anymore if it runs like 20, 30, 40+ PS5 "only" games. It is something else entirely by that point. 

A Steam Deck isn't a PS4 either ... it runs like dozens of games a PS4 doesn't (Pro or base model). By the end of this product cycle it'll probably have 100+ games the PS4 can't run that it runs acceptably. How the fuck can you be a "just a PS4" and also "oh yeah I run like 100 games from the successor generation".

It's like saying I have an N64 that also runs Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Super Mario Sunshine, Zelda: Wind Waker, Resident Evil 4, Halo, etc. etc. at half resolution. Well that's not an N64 class hardware anymore really, it's something else even if it's not exactly a PS2 or GameCube either. 

So a series s isn't actually a series s because it runs series x games.  Got it.  Totally logical.  Thanks.

Actually I don't think you realize making that arguement isn't really supporting your case. A Series S is only a 4 TFLOP machine, which by that token should be only a PS4 Pro tier machine, but it runs every PS5/XSX game ... which puts it into the PS5/XSX generation, which is exactly what I'm saying. So no, XBox Series S is an argument you don't even want to touch, lol. Just walking yourself straight into a logic pit you don't want to get into. 

XBox Series S is not a PS4 Pro or XBox One X even though the teraflop compute level is similar on paper and far below the XBox Series X/PS5. 

Actually I don't think you realize making that arguement isn't really supporting your case. A Series S is only a 4 TFLOP machine, which by that token should be only a PS4 Pro tier machine, but it runs every PS5/XSX game ... which puts it into the PS5/XSX generation, which is exactly what I'm saying. So no, XBox Series S is an argument you don't even want to touch, lol. Just walking yourself straight into a logic pit you don't want to get into. 

XBox Series S is not a PS4 Pro or XBox One X even though the teraflop compute level is similar on paper and far below the XBox Series X/PS5. 

Nah it fits my argument perfectly.  I'll spell it out so you can understand.  I'll also drop it so we don't derail the thread.

Running the same games are significantly lower performance and fidelity means the hardware isn't equivalent.  

(It is that simple)

Enjoy your drunken frog.  

Equivalent hardware isn't required to be part of the same generation. 

By that logic then a 3090 even is a different generation from the PS5 or a 2080, but no one seriously says that. 

Or XBox Series S is a different generation from Playstation 5. No one seriously says that either. 

Generational leap has to be something where the successive hardware runs the majority of its games that the other hardware that you're trying to claim is in a different generation cannot run. Like for example a Playstation 2 versus a Playstation 1. If a PS1 could run PS2 games at just moderately lower settings and resolution but otherwise it was running the same games, then you have a problem there, that is not a generational leap any longer. That distinction becomes entirely meaningless in that case. 

That argument doesn't work anymore when the hardware you're trying to say "is last generation" is running many of the same games even at lower settings.

The Switch 2 will likely have a ton of PS5 ports for various reasons, more than the Switch 1 had in common with the PS4, but there's already a system that basically does this, Steam Deck will likely in a few years have something like 75, 80, 100 PS5/XSX only games that it runs. That automatically invalidates it as a "PS4 level hardware". If it's "PS4 level hardware" it shouldn't be running those games period, in any form other than like maybe 2 frames per second. 

Equivalent hardware isn't required to be part of the same generation. 

By that logic then a 3090 even is a different generation from the PS5 or a 2080, but no one seriously says that. 

Or XBox Series S is a different generation from Playstation 5. No one seriously says that either. 

Generational leap has to be something where the successive hardware runs the majority of its games that the other hardware that you're trying to claim is in a different generation cannot run. Like for example a Playstation 2 versus a Playstation 1. If a PS1 could run PS2 games at just moderately lower settings and resolution but otherwise it was running the same games, then you have a problem there, that is not a generational leap any longer. That distinction becomes entirely meaningless in that case. 

That argument doesn't work anymore when the hardware you're trying to say "is last generation" is running many of the same games even at lower settings.

The Switch 2 will likely have a ton of PS5 ports for various reasons, more than the Switch 1 had in common with the PS4, but there's already a system that basically does this, Steam Deck will likely in a few years have something like 75, 80, 100 PS5/XSX only games that it runs. That automatically invalidates it as a "PS4 level hardware". If it's "PS4 level hardware" it shouldn't be running those games period, in any form other than like maybe 2 frames per second. 

Please don't make things up and put words in my mouth.  I've never even said the word "generation."  Thanks in advance and enjoy your day.