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Which console will be close in performance?

XB1 13 8.78%
 
PS4 49 33.11%
 
PS4 pro 47 31.76%
 
XB1X 8 5.41%
 
XBox Series S 24 16.22%
 
PS5 3 2.03%
 
XBox Series X 4 2.70%
 
Total:148

A Famiboards user picked up on shipping info that leaked the internal storage, some dock info, and the main RAM ... and all of those should make Switch 2 fans pretty happy.

Mainly Nintendo is using the best of the best LPDDR5X RAM and 12GB of it too, not the previous low ball numbers of regular LPDDR5 and only 8GB.

That means the Switch 2 will likely have considerably higher bandwidth than the Steam Deck (88GB/sec versus 120GB/sec) and stock ROG Ally too ... that's fantastic news. It will have the same speed RAM as the just announced this past week $1000 iPad OLED Pros.

So Nintendo didn't "cheap out" and use garbage components.

Even 256GB UFS 3.1 internal storage ... people should be really happy with that, Nintendo could have used cheaper, slower EMMC, UFS 3.1 is quite fast, faster than Steam Deck's stock internal storage, it was used in flagship Android phones from just a few years ago and will give the system much, much faster read/write speeds than the Switch 1.

256GB isn't bad either, that means even the biggest games on the market today like Call of Duty, Final Fantasy Rebirth, or anything else anyone would care to port would fit on the internal storage and still have room left over even with zero compression.

The third bit of interesting news is the dock apparently this time around has its own separate fan for cooling, which likely points to Nintendo is going to be pushing the chip full tilt docked.

This doesn't point to a dirt cheap 3DS/DS/Wii type badly dated system at all. I think this reaffirms the reports from that previous trade event that Nintendo/Epic demoed The Matrix city demo for developers using mock Switch 2 hardware.

I was definitely not expecting LPDDR5X, that is a great choice. Famiboards is the best place for tech discussion on this stuff too, way better than any other board, all the other boards, even ResetEra just basically take info from Famiboards.

These aren't cheap components either, for reference the recently released Google Pixel 8 PRO phone has 12GB LPDDR5X RAM + 256GB UFS 3.1 storage ... the exact same components cited here, and that retails for over *$1000* right now. Switch 2 having the same config is nothing to scoff at, of course the Pixel has other things like multiple cameras and an OLED display, but the Switch 2 has a reportedly way larger screen (7.9 inch vs. 6.7 inch), Joycons, a dock too, which a phone doesn't have. I'm starting to lean into a price point of $449.99 and not $399.99 anymore. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 09 May 2024

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120 gb/s bandwidth is a nice jump compared to the switch. For comparison the ps4 has 176 gb/s, the ps5 something like 450 gb/s, Series x 500 gb/s and a 4090 is a bit over 1,000 gb/s.



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Chrkeller said:

120 gb/s bandwidth is a nice jump compared to the switch. For comparison the ps4 has 176 gb/s, the ps5 something like 450 gb/s, Series x 500 gb/s and a 4090 is a bit over 1,000 gb/s.

1536 CUDA Cores, 48 tensor cores, 12 RT cores

Ampere architecture with features backported from Ada

8x ARM A78C

File decompression engine

12 GB LPDDR5X RAM 7500 MT/s

256 UFS 3.1

Yea we can safely say this won't be anywhere near series s and for 2025 this pretty weak and dated as usual. I expect steam deck 2 to be a huge leap over this in 2026.



zeldaring said:
Chrkeller said:

120 gb/s bandwidth is a nice jump compared to the switch. For comparison the ps4 has 176 gb/s, the ps5 something like 450 gb/s, Series x 500 gb/s and a 4090 is a bit over 1,000 gb/s.

1536 CUDA Cores, 48 tensor cores, 12 RT cores

Ampere architecture with features backported from Ada

8x ARM A78C

File decompression engine

12 GB LPDDR5X RAM 7500 MT/s

256 UFS 3.1

Yea we can safely say this won't be anywhere near series s and for 2025 this pretty weak and dated as usual. I expect steam deck 2 to be a huge leap over this in 2026.

Jesus, hopefully those leaks are fake.  That would put the S2 below a 2050 (2,048 CUDA cores, 256 tensor cores, 32 ray tracing acceleration cores)



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Chrkeller said:

Jesus, hopefully those leaks are fake.  That would put the S2 below a 2050 (2,048 CUDA cores, 256 tensor cores, 32 ray tracing acceleration cores)

We've known the Switch 2 was going to have 1536 Cuda cores (if it has a T239, which is all but certain at this point) for years now, after the Nvidia leak revealed the T239 to have 12SM. The question is at what clock speed (and process-node) they're going for. 

The only new news with this rumor is the memory and storage information, which is surprisingly above what most people expected. 



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The most interesting thing about this rumor is the active cooling in the dock, imo. Active cooling in the dock can mean a TDP profile into the 30-40W for docked mode (or even higher, but Nintendo loves their low power profiles, so probably not much higher than that.) Of course, that increases the price of the dock though.



zeldaring said:

Specs for switch 2 came out and it's not gonna touch series s.

Cry me a river, cheap troll. Your butthurt won't change the Switch 2's specs.



sc94597 said:

The most interesting thing about this rumor is the active cooling in the dock, imo. Active cooling in the dock can mean a TDP profile into the 30-40W for docked mode (or even higher, but Nintendo loves their low power profiles, so probably not much higher than that.) Of course, that increases the price of the dock though.

Given how much unlocked Switch can be overclocked, they just might opt this time for less conservative clocks with active cooling in the dock.



HoloDust said:
sc94597 said:

The most interesting thing about this rumor is the active cooling in the dock, imo. Active cooling in the dock can mean a TDP profile into the 30-40W for docked mode (or even higher, but Nintendo loves their low power profiles, so probably not much higher than that.) Of course, that increases the price of the dock though.

Given how much unlocked Switch can be overclocked, they just might opt this time for less conservative clocks with active cooling in the dock.

Yeah a 30-40W docked Switch 2, would be pretty decently performant, especially if the memory bandwidth and capacity rumors are true as well. Even if they stick with Sammy 8nm, which seems very much unlikely given the release date and the re-confirmation of 12SM for the T239. 

That'd put it quite a bit more performant than a Rog Ally with the Z1 Extreme for a few reasons: 

1. Similar max TDP. 

2. 20% more memory bandwidth (Rog Ally's main bottleneck.)  

3. DLSS is more efficient for the same image quality than FSR (currently.) 

For the most part most people run games on the Rog Ally at Series S level graphics and performance settings, but with about 50-70% of the internal resolution as the Series S.

So I'd expect image-quality for this rumored Switch 2 to be somewhere in between a Rog Ally and Series S, with graphics quality and performance in titles being roughly similar to those two.

Makes sense, because in 2025 I expect the top-end gaming handhelds (basically Rog Ally 2, Legion GO 2, etc.) with RDNA 3.5 to get close to or even exceed Series S performance levels when "docked" (connected to charger and running at 30-40W TDPs.) This hypothetical Switch 2 (when docked) would be a quarter-tier below those handhelds but a quarter-tier above the current Rog Ally. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 12 May 2024

120gb/s memory is great
TDP 30w too.

I wish it were true.