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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Apple iPhone 15 Pro Will Have Console Games (RE4R, RE Village, Assassin's Creed, DS)

zeldaring on 13 September 2023
Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

I think what people aren't getting is this means you're going to probably have iPads starting even this year, but almost definitely next year which can run potentially even PS5 level games. The M2 chip may already be good enough to do it, but if it's not the M3 chip coming next year probably will be. So theoretically you'll be able play console games on this too:

And yes that is a Dual Sense controller, Apple even sells them directly from their stores. That experience will be much more akin to a Steam Deck or Switch. 

The chip in the iPhone is cool and all, but the M1/M2 chips that are in Apple iPads and Macbooks is considerably more powerful and M1 Max/M2 Max chips would be able to run PS5 games outright. Keep in mind too these Apple chips have machine learning upsampling just like Nvidia's DLSS too, so they can render from a lower resolution and display at a higher output.

The M chips are really, really impressive, since switching their own silicon Apple is making chips that are like desk top GPU quality but don't use anywhere close to the same amount of electricity.

A few months ago Apple announced a Game Porting Tool for game developers aimed at letting developers port their Direct X 11/12 games (meaning basically PS5/XSX titles from PC) to run on Apple silicon (M-series chips, A-series chips). This is not a consumer tool, this is meant for developers to be able to see how much work they would need to do to port a game, but some people have been using it like an emulator to run PC games on their M-series Macs (I wouldn't recommend that, it's not what it's designed to do):

So what is probably going to happen is developers will start making ports just for all Apple silicon chips. That port can then work on a Macbook laptop, a Mac Mini, an Apple TV, an iPad, and yes iPhone too, with scaling adjustments. That's what I don't think people are not understanding. It's not just an "iPhone port with touch controls!". You're gonna have one port and it will have fidelity of the PC or XSX/PS5 or better on the top end and then scale down to the iPhone which will probably be PS4++ fidelity. 

I think really for iPad this is going to be something Apple pushes. iPad is rumored to be getting a big refresh next year with OLED displays and if you put an M3 chip in there ... welp, you're gonna have a gorgeous gaming device and you can play that game on your iPhone 15 Pro too, so it can have a lot of that Switch or Steam Deck type functionality of "your game is always with you" but probably even moreso. People carry their iPhone everywhere, a Switch or Steam Deck not so much. Apple isn't happy with iPad shipments being "only" 50 million/year (lol), people have been asking why they are putting M1/M2 chips into iPad's since it's performance overkill for a tablet ... well I think gaming is the answer. They plan to start making a push into traditional gaming. 

Believe it when I see it.  Some fall for hype, others don't.  

If a mobile device can match a console 10x bigger abd 10x more power hungry that will be revolutionary and will be welcomed...  but I remain skeptical until tech analysis is done on an actual market game.  

My skepticism is driven by people thinking strong hardware is simply "GPU."  Read speeds, memory speeds, ram, storage, etc....  strong hardware is about balance.

iPad pro is also $1200 with 256 gb storage which will hold a whopping 2 to 5 games.  

And don't forget when you run out of storage the solution is to buy new iPad because Apple doesn't allow for SD support.  

you also can't buy physical games lol, and need a 60$ controller. what a amazing deal to replace a PS5 or X series.



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Chrkeller on 13 September 2023
zeldaring said:
Chrkeller said:

Believe it when I see it.  Some fall for hype, others don't.  

If a mobile device can match a console 10x bigger abd 10x more power hungry that will be revolutionary and will be welcomed...  but I remain skeptical until tech analysis is done on an actual market game.  

My skepticism is driven by people thinking strong hardware is simply "GPU."  Read speeds, memory speeds, ram, storage, etc....  strong hardware is about balance.

iPad pro is also $1200 with 256 gb storage which will hold a whopping 2 to 5 games.  

And don't forget when you run out of storage the solution is to buy new iPad because Apple doesn't allow for SD support.  

you also can't buy physical games lol, and need a 60$ controller. what a amazing deal to replace a PS5 or X series.

And unlike Steam where I can use my library on a computer brand of my choice I'll get to choose bewteen using Apple or Apple.  And if I don't like those options I'm still buying apple because I have no options.



S.Peelman on 13 September 2023

Why do some of you guys sound so threatened by the announcement of a couple of "AAA" games coming to a mobile device?

I'm just saying. I've seen it in a couple threads now. You will still be able to game the way you want to, rest assured, it's all good.



Chrkeller on 13 September 2023
S.Peelman said:

Why do some of you guys sound so threatened by the announcement of a couple of "AAA" games coming to a mobile device?

I'm just saying. I've seen it in a couple threads now. You will still be able to game the way you want to, rest assured, it's all good.

I'm not threatened in the least.  I loathe apples closed and restrictive ecosystem and find apple fans funny.  I'm laughing my friend.



160rmf on 13 September 2023
Mar1217 said:
RolStoppable said:

Cool, after all the weird hardware discussions during the past week we've now reached the point where we are supposed to take Apple in gaming seriously.

By next week, Kellogg's will be entering the competitive field of video games with their iconic cereal mascots, Sam the Toucan and Tony the Tiger !

That reminds me the console that you also could use as a BBQ grill. Anybody knows how that went?

Obs: I am talking about an official announcement, not that famous modded PS3 

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Leynos on 13 September 2023
160rmf said:
Mar1217 said:

By next week, Kellogg's will be entering the competitive field of video games with their iconic cereal mascots, Sam the Toucan and Tony the Tiger !

That reminds me the console that you also could use as a BBQ grill. Anybody knows how that went?

Obs: I am talking about an official announcement, not that famous modded PS3 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFConsole



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Soundwave on 13 September 2023

Believe it when I see it.  Some fall for hype, others don't.  

Here is Resident Evil 8 (Village) running on the Apple M2 processor, keep in mind this is a mobile processor running in an ultra thin Macbook with no internal fan or cooling. This chip also ships in iPad Pros. EDIT: Holy shit the guy says in the description he was running this on battery power ... not plugged in (!). 

The XBox Series S runs this at 1440p at about 45 fps ... the M2 chip is at the same resolution at a frame rate around 40-50 fps.

This chip is a beast, and it's going to be outdated soon, the M3 chip is going to be 3nm (like the Apple A17 Bionic announced yesterday for the iPhone 15 Pro) ... that means expect a sizable power jump. This chip can go into Mac Minis and probably even an Apple TV style device too to make a kick ass mini-console too. 

I'm telling you guys, don't sleep on Apple. They are doing unreal things with their chip and graphics technology. 

For developers the upside is big too ... sure you port to the higher end Macbook chip spec, but once you're on Apple silicon, the game can then scale down from there, so you can make like an iPhone version once the iPhone gets to a certain level of power ... this is basically what it looks like happened with the Resident Evil games, they can now bring this RE Village Apple silicon version to the iPhone because they already did the work to port it to the Macbook/M1/M2 chips. 

If Apple is successful in getting more and more devs to bring their games over, it'll be very interesting. They are streamlining the porting process.  

As far as pricing goes, it's only a problem to the extent that you have to twist people's arms to buy your product. If people are buying your product at that price hand over fist anyway ... well. The iPad still ships 50 million units a year give or take even without strong gaming functionality, Sony has maybe sold 25 million one time in their entire PS1-5 history. The iPhone ships 200+ million a year, lol. These are massively mass market products even at their prices because people value them that much. 

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BasilZero on 13 September 2023

Nice.

I'm hoping this leads to SE releasing FFX/X-2 and FFXII at least on mobiles now.


Also iPhone wise - I like the 48 megapixel bump and 5x zoom since the Camera is one of the features I use the most on my iPhone 13 Pro Max.


Though....I'm gonna wait until they release a 2 TB model - hopefully iPhone 16 next year will have that option.



dane007 on 14 September 2023

The issue is controls and a tiny screen. Can u imagine playing re4 on a tiny touch screen phone?



Jules98 on 14 September 2023

iOS getting AAA games is cute I guess, but who is this really for?

  • Mobile gamers want a pick-up-and-play experience that can be enjoyed in short bursts
  • Console gamers want the comfort of a controller and large TV screen
  • PC gamers want the flexibility and raw power their hardware can offer

To me, it seems that the potential audience who would care for AAA games on a phone is very limited. A nice extra if you're already entrenched in the Apple ecosystem, but not something that's going to convert people to iOS.