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Soundwave on 21 June 2023
VAMatt said:
Soundwave said:

I'm guessing Metroid Prime 4, Mario Odyssey 2 (or whatever the next real 3D Mario is), got moved to Switch 2 or are cross-platform Switch 2 releases at this point.

Also feels like junior staff are pumping out MK8 DLC while the main team works on Mario Kart Next.  

I doubt there's much work happening on the next Mario Kart title. I am nearly certain that they've had that game in the can for a few years now.  They're just still milking Mario Kart 8 successfully, so nine will probably not hit until early in the next console generation. 

I would have it day 1. It's Nintendo's biggest franchise (it's not even really close) at this point so why not. As a racer it's easier to release it too and then have DLC tracks added over time just as they've gotten the Switch userbase used to already with 8 Deluxe. 



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Soundwave on 21 June 2023
Slownenberg said:
rapsuperstar31 said:

I hope you are right, I'm expecting Mario Kart 8 Super Deluxe to launch on the successor for $60 and comes with all the dlc courses.

lol

I'm sure MK9 will be a launch title for next gen, or at least come out within a few weeks of launch. Nothing else would make sense. Probably 3D Mario and Prime 4 on launch day, MK9 a month later. Probably something like that (if indeed Prime 4 has been moved off the Switch and to next gen which is sorta seems like at this point).

To Soundwave:

Not sure if we'll see cross-gen titles. We got cross gen GC/Wii and WiiU/Switch but those systems were spec'd fairly similarly so those zelda cross gen games could just be ports. To do a cross gen game between Switch and next gen obviously gamers would want a complete graphics overhaul for the next gen version. Makes cross gen games seem less likely. Especially for something like Prime 4 where you want top notch graphics. I don't really see Nintendo building two completely separate graphical versions of Prime 4 (or any game) in order to make it cross gen.

So I don't expect any cross gen games. I think Prime 4 will either be the last big AAA Switch game, or much more likely a launch game on Switch 2 and that is probably the reason it still hasn't come out yet, or even announced anything about it yet, because at some point they switched over from making a Switch game to making a next gen game.

And considering Metroid games don't sell that well anyway, it's not like missing out on the Switch userbase would be devastating for the game. It's not like 10 million people are gonna buy it on Switch haha. And being one of the few major AAA Nintendo games available on the next gen system in the first year will give it plenty of focus for gamers to pick it up. Maybe Nintendo surprises and does two completely different graphical builds for the game so that it can be cross gen, but I doubt it. Also having it on Switch 2 only just gives people (well, at least the few million, or couple million, Metroid fans) more of a reason to buy the new system.

I think you will see cross-gen games. You don't need to do completely different graphical builds, you can just have games that run in 4K + maybe higher resolution on Switch 2 ... I mean there are plenty of PS5/XSX games that are PS4/XB1 or even PS3 games in some cases just running at higher res, it's not like the game has been completely remade. 

The Pokemon DLC leaker also already stated that they were working on making graphical assets for the DLC for Switch 2. That person did get a bunch of things correct, so that probably already hints towards it. Also the Nintendo job listing which specifically cited the need for "cross generation" development also is a pretty strong indicator. 

I'll say this about Prime 4 ... I would not be surprised if for Switch 2 it has a rudimentary (cheap) VR mode like VR Labo, except they're not going to do the cardboard thing, it'll be a mode with an official kind of plastic housing for the Switch 2 (1080p screen?) is my guess. 



Leynos on 21 June 2023

 It's pretty clear now Switch is in hospice. A few smaller projects to fill slots for this year and then move on to the next platform. Love to See Super Mario RPG and Star Ocean 2



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javi741 on 21 June 2023
Slownenberg said:
rapsuperstar31 said:

I hope you are right, I'm expecting Mario Kart 8 Super Deluxe to launch on the successor for $60 and comes with all the dlc courses.

lol

I'm sure MK9 will be a launch title for next gen, or at least come out within a few weeks of launch. Nothing else would make sense. Probably 3D Mario and Prime 4 on launch day, MK9 a month later. Probably something like that (if indeed Prime 4 has been moved off the Switch and to next gen which is sorta seems like at this point).

To Soundwave:

Not sure if we'll see cross-gen titles. We got cross gen GC/Wii and WiiU/Switch but those systems were spec'd fairly similarly so those zelda cross gen games could just be ports. To do a cross gen game between Switch and next gen obviously gamers would want a complete graphics overhaul for the next gen version. Makes cross gen games seem less likely. Especially for something like Prime 4 where you want top notch graphics. I don't really see Nintendo building two completely separate graphical versions of Prime 4 (or any game) in order to make it cross gen.

So I don't expect any cross gen games. I think Prime 4 will either be the last big AAA Switch game, or much more likely a launch game on Switch 2 and that is probably the reason it still hasn't come out yet, or even announced anything about it yet, because at some point they switched over from making a Switch game to making a next gen game.

And considering Metroid games don't sell that well anyway, it's not like missing out on the Switch userbase would be devastating for the game. It's not like 10 million people are gonna buy it on Switch haha. And being one of the few major AAA Nintendo games available on the next gen system in the first year will give it plenty of focus for gamers to pick it up. Maybe Nintendo surprises and does two completely different graphical builds for the game so that it can be cross gen, but I doubt it. Also having it on Switch 2 only just gives people (well, at least the few million, or couple million, Metroid fans) more of a reason to buy the new system.

There's no way that Prime 4 won't release on Switch, they promised it was going to release for Switch way back in 2017 and there may have been a good portion of people who purchased a Switch primarily for Metroid Prime 4, people would be pissed if they were promised for around 7 years that prime 4 was coming to Switch just for them to switch it over to Switch 2 exclusively. Nintendo has never done that in their history where they publically announced a game for a platform just for them to not bring it.

Nintendo could've easily just made Zelda BOTW exclusive to Switch since it was clear the Wii U was going to be a failure and it would be better to just use the game to convince people to exclusively get it on Switch, but they didn't because they didn't want to piss of Wii U owners who purchased the system just for that game and they likely already finished a ton of development for Wii U to the point where they didn't want to drop it completely.

Same goes for Prime 4, Retro definetely begun development with this game with the Switch in mind first since it was still promised it was coming to Switch in 2019, even if they wanted to switch development to Switch 2, it wouldn't make sense to drop all the work you did on the Switch version.



KLXVER on 21 June 2023

Some cool stuff in this one. Really thought it would be worse since they started with Pokemon DLC...and the fact that we`re in the 7th year of the Switch. Super Mario RPG and Super Mario Bros. Wonder looks great. SMBW looks like its fun in single player unlike NSMBWii and NSMBU.



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Chrkeller on 21 June 2023

Was OK for me. New 2d mario is fun. Cool LM and Mario rpg remakes... not much else. Prime 4 is vaporware.



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Mar1217 on 21 June 2023

Lol, for people calling Prime 4 a vaporware. All built up time, I truly think once it get announced, we'll see some actual dropping jaws for those who did not believe in Retro to pull it off again.

Anywoooo, first part of the Direct got from me a "meh" mostly, not like there was nothing but it's once we got the announcements of the Super Mario RPG remake where this Direct began to shine.

Detective Pikachu Returns is already a guilty must buy for me.
The new Princess Peach game looks Fairy-esque ? Can't say much about it but it could be a good surprise for the next year 👍

The remake of Star Ocean Second Story left me surprised as well. What a stunner this was. Can't anything about the story or anything else. But I do be into Sci-Fi RPGs so might try it in the future. But please SE, give us a physical version !

Super Mario Wonder is just what the 2D platformer genre needed to respark an interest in the franchise. Looking mighty fantastic already. Looking for the upcoming "drug use" jokes in the future.

A 8/10 feels more than deserved for this Direct.



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Slownenberg on 21 June 2023
Soundwave said:
Slownenberg said:

lol

I'm sure MK9 will be a launch title for next gen, or at least come out within a few weeks of launch. Nothing else would make sense. Probably 3D Mario and Prime 4 on launch day, MK9 a month later. Probably something like that (if indeed Prime 4 has been moved off the Switch and to next gen which is sorta seems like at this point).

To Soundwave:

Not sure if we'll see cross-gen titles. We got cross gen GC/Wii and WiiU/Switch but those systems were spec'd fairly similarly so those zelda cross gen games could just be ports. To do a cross gen game between Switch and next gen obviously gamers would want a complete graphics overhaul for the next gen version. Makes cross gen games seem less likely. Especially for something like Prime 4 where you want top notch graphics. I don't really see Nintendo building two completely separate graphical versions of Prime 4 (or any game) in order to make it cross gen.

So I don't expect any cross gen games. I think Prime 4 will either be the last big AAA Switch game, or much more likely a launch game on Switch 2 and that is probably the reason it still hasn't come out yet, or even announced anything about it yet, because at some point they switched over from making a Switch game to making a next gen game.

And considering Metroid games don't sell that well anyway, it's not like missing out on the Switch userbase would be devastating for the game. It's not like 10 million people are gonna buy it on Switch haha. And being one of the few major AAA Nintendo games available on the next gen system in the first year will give it plenty of focus for gamers to pick it up. Maybe Nintendo surprises and does two completely different graphical builds for the game so that it can be cross gen, but I doubt it. Also having it on Switch 2 only just gives people (well, at least the few million, or couple million, Metroid fans) more of a reason to buy the new system.

I think you will see cross-gen games. You don't need to do completely different graphical builds, you can just have games that run in 4K + maybe higher resolution on Switch 2 ... I mean there are plenty of PS5/XSX games that are PS4/XB1 or even PS3 games in some cases just running at higher res, it's not like the game has been completely remade. 

The Pokemon DLC leaker also already stated that they were working on making graphical assets for the DLC for Switch 2. That person did get a bunch of things correct, so that probably already hints towards it. Also the Nintendo job listing which specifically cited the need for "cross generation" development also is a pretty strong indicator. 

I'll say this about Prime 4 ... I would not be surprised if for Switch 2 it has a rudimentary (cheap) VR mode like VR Labo, except they're not going to do the cardboard thing, it'll be a mode with an official kind of plastic housing for the Switch 2 (1080p screen?) is my guess. 

My point is that isn't desirable in the least. Like if Prime 4 is just a resolution upgrade...that's not really cross gen. That's Nintendo porting a Switch game to next gen and upping the resolution. If we're talking about legit cross-gen, Prime 4 coming out as both a Switch game and a Switch 2 game, not a Switch 2 port of the Switch game coming out, I don't see that happening. If we're just talking porting the game though, sure maybe, put out Prime 4 on Switch and port it to Switch 2 to bolster the launch lineup a little bit, but then that's just gonna be a last gen game on the new system, not a next gen Prime 4, it'll just be a bad looking game on Switch 2 (relative to games actually made for next gen).

Like TP was not a bad looking Wii game, cuz Wii and GC were close so it could be a straight port. BotW was not a bad looking Switch game, because WiiU and Switch were close. But next gen will be a generational upgrade over the Switch, so it'd be pretty disappointing if Nintendo claimed the Prime 4 was gonna be cross gen and then really all it turned out to be was a straight port with higher res of what is actually a Switch game. If they are gonna do that, makes much more sense to launch Prime 4 at least a good few months before next gen starts, so that it has time to sell before people move their focus to next gen, and then sometime during the first year of next gen Nintendo releases an enhanced (high res) version of Prime 4 for the new system to try to pick up a few extra sales from people who didn't bother buying end of lifecycle Switch games.

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mZuzek on 21 June 2023

Given that I don't really care for Mario, and that this Direct had literally 6 Mario-related announcements, yeah this was pretty lame for me lol

Only announcements I had any interest in were the Arkham and Metal Gear Solid ports. Don't know much about Star Ocean but it looked pretty interesting until it became a clusterfuck of numbers on the screen.



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Stellar_Fungk on 21 June 2023

Meh. Was kinda disappointed. Was hoping for the rumoured Fire Emblem: Geneology of the Holy War remake, Chrono trigger remake, Dragon Quest 3 HD2D Remake, Xenosaga HD Trilogy. But seeing Pikmin 1 and 2 coming to switch is nice, i missed out on those. And Super Mario RPG remake is cool too. Dont care for the rest.



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