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zeldaring on 27 June 2023
160rmf said:
curl-6 said:

Switch and its successor will likely be closer to a 3DS-Switch power gap than the small Wii U-Switch power gap. Only 2 of Switch's major 2017 games were from Wii U, and hardly anybody owned a Wii U while a massive audience owns a Switch.

That's pretty bold, I think the difference will be something between Switch vs 3ds and Switch vs Wii U.

Yeah despite Wii U being a failure it's was a hardware that was planned to release an ambitious open world Zelda game. If the 3ds was the base for a HD portable console, yeah that would be a pretty unappealing lineup.

My point is that Switch is a pretty capable hardware, so nothing that is developed basing on its capabilities would be something blasé 

While the power gap could be that big it's not the same situation. most Nintendo games are gonna be easily portable and still looks good on switch. Unless it's the next zelda anything else running 4k/60fps should be done easily at 720/30fps.



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IcaroRibeiro on 27 June 2023
curl-6 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Very likely yes, BOTW was a cross gen launch title after all. Switch also launched with no major Pokemon game, 3DS indeed had a mainline Pokemon schedule to release couple of months before Switch debut

People upgraded regardless

Many of the cross gen titles are titles that started being developed by the original hardware and end being released on the new hardware to increase the library. With Switch 2 being backwards compatible, there are no reasons to not release as many cross gen games as possible

Granted, some games are developed with a vision that cannot be fully executed on old hardware must be left behind. Such games take a bit of time to be developed and we probably aren't seen many of them being release at launch. The safest and most consumer friendly route is to release cords gen titles in the first and second years. On the first 2 years a successful console is likely to be capped by production and stocks anyway

On the third year with a healthier production lines Nintendo can start to unleash many of their very strong exclusives, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc 

You're forgetting that there would be no games like BOTW on Switch if it was entirely crossgen with 3DS. Crossgen has limitations.

There's no point in them having an intentionally weak first two years when they can win big from day 1.

I mean, Nintendo is know for having 2D Mario and Pokemon games as major sellers and they aren't exactly know for groundbreaking specs. I'm sure the next Switch 2 Pokemon won't make full use of hardware capabitilies either 

Besides, the only way for them to know how to properly use hardware to make games that take full advantage of the hardware capabitilies is delaying Switch 2 release for so long that every major studio inside Nintendo will have mastered the dev kits and the hardware particularities. Be prepared to Switch 2 not coming before 2027 if only "next gen" experiences is what you expect for the launch year 

Switch having similar specs of Wii U and having teams with stretched development cycle to meet Switch launch made first year pipeline looking next gen "enough"

HD development takes time to be refined so it will surely not happen at Switch 2 launch, considering a big leap in power is a given the true "next gen" games (like Zelda or Monster Hunter) won't be fully there until a couple of years, rest assured of that



curl-6 on 27 June 2023
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

Switch and its successor will likely be closer to a 3DS-Switch power gap than the small Wii U-Switch power gap. Only 2 of Switch's major 2017 games were from Wii U, and hardly anybody owned a Wii U while a massive audience owns a Switch.

zorg1000 said:

You’re looking at it the wrong way, the better question is would Switch has been as successful if all the 3DS games that released in 2017/2018 were also on Switch?

That's not what I mean; I'm not saying nothing can be shared, I'm saying the successor will need big exclusives.

Than we’re just arguing semantics, look at the example I gave a few posts back.

Super Switch, November 2024, $349.99

A standard next-gen device, think NES to SNES or PS4 to PS5. It can have some new features but not the main focus and nothing that inflates the price, something like HD rumble rather than 3D screen, Kinect 2.0 or Wii U Gamepad.


Launch+first full year lineup

exclusives-3D Mario, Mario Kart 9, Star Fox reboot, Xenoblade Chronices X-2

cross gen-Metroid Prime 4, 2.5D Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem Warriors Engage, Pokemon Let’s Go 2 or Legends 2

updated ports-Tears of the Kingdom, Super Mario Wonder

Would this hypothetical scenario be to your liking?

Yeah we don't actually disagree really. In the broader sense, we're pretty much on the same page.

I'd be fine with this lineup personally.



zorg1000 on 27 June 2023
curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

If they make big mistakes that cause Switch 2 to be undesirable than it doesn’t matter if the games are exclusive or not, the device is failing regardless, but if they are cross-gen than at least the software will have a chance to sell to its full potential.

They do have a backup, it’s called Switch, if the successor fails than you can pivot back to Switch and treat the new device as an experiment or a revision and get to work on a new successor. If they abandon Switch 1 and Switch 2 fails than they are really fucked.

Already addressed that; mistakes doesn't mean unsalvageable, see 3DS.

And I literally never said they should abandon Switch immediately. Just that not everything needs to be crossgen.

That example still applies, look at the software sales of key franchises

                3DS              Wii U

Mario Kart-19m vs 52m

Animal Crossing-13 vs 42m

Smash Bros-10m vs 31m

Pokemon-16m vs 26m

3D Mario-13m vs 25m

Mario Party-3m vs 19m

Luigi’s Mansion-6m vs 12m

The list goes on, software on 3DS was held back



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curl-6 on 27 June 2023
IcaroRibeiro said:
curl-6 said:

You're forgetting that there would be no games like BOTW on Switch if it was entirely crossgen with 3DS. Crossgen has limitations.

There's no point in them having an intentionally weak first two years when they can win big from day 1.

I mean, Nintendo is know for having 2D Mario and Pokemon games as major sellers and they aren't exactly know for groundbreaking specs. I'm sure the next Switch 2 Pokemon won't make full use of hardware capabitilies either 

Besides, the only way for them to know how to properly use hardware to make games that take full advantage of the hardware capabitilies is delaying Switch 2 release for so long that every major studio inside Nintendo will have mastered the dev kits and the hardware particularities. Be prepared to Switch 2 not coming before 2027 if only "next gen" experiences is what you expect for the launch year 

Switch having similar specs of Wii U and having teams with stretched development cycle to meet Switch launch made first year pipeline looking next gen "enough"

HD development takes time to be refined so it will surely not happen at Switch 2 launch, considering a big leap in power is a given the true "next gen" games (like Zelda or Monster Hunter) won't be fully there until a couple of years, rest assured of that

I mean, I don't expect everything to be a super impressive exclusive next gen showcase from day 1, but I feel like both this and the scenario where every game is crossgen for 2 years are kinda two different extremes, and that the ideal path is probably somewhere in the middle.



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160rmf on 27 June 2023
zeldaring said:
160rmf said:

That's pretty bold, I think the difference will be something between Switch vs 3ds and Switch vs Wii U.

Yeah despite Wii U being a failure it's was a hardware that was planned to release an ambitious open world Zelda game. If the 3ds was the base for a HD portable console, yeah that would be a pretty unappealing lineup.

My point is that Switch is a pretty capable hardware, so nothing that is developed basing on its capabilities would be something blasé 

While the power gap could be that big it's not the same situation. most Nintendo games are gonna be easily portable and still looks good on switch. Unless it's the next zelda anything else running 4k/60fps should be done easily at 720/30fps.

I am talking in a more relative way, based on the games structure. I am not a tech guy who knows exactly how the numbers in the specs will solve lol

And no, porting the games from the new console to the old one doesn't make any sense, let the things take its natural course. Cross gen will be always for me in the BoTW sense 

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Chrkeller on 28 June 2023

Given how old the switch is I assume a switch 2 is going to be a solid bump in power. I don't see cross generation working. The Wii U and switch were close, (ish) in power.



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zeldaring on 28 June 2023
Chrkeller said:

Given how old the switch is I assume a switch 2 is going to be a solid bump in power. I don't see cross generation working. The Wii U and switch were close, (ish) in power.

They are porting mortal kombat 1 to switch. Aside from zelda most Nintendo games aren't really looking to push graphics like most AAA developers.

I have to say elden ring is pretty great, surprised you didn't like it, although the story sucks.

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Chrkeller on 28 June 2023
zeldaring said:
Chrkeller said:

Given how old the switch is I assume a switch 2 is going to be a solid bump in power. I don't see cross generation working. The Wii U and switch were close, (ish) in power.

They are porting mortal kombat 1 to switch. Aside from zelda most Nintendo games aren't really looking to push graphics like most AAA developers.

I have to say elden ring is pretty great, surprised you didn't like it, although the story sucks.

That is true but I think it depends on what the hardware pushes in terms of physics, loading, etc.  The current switch could be limited by something other than graphics.

The main portion of Elden is superb.  The "off the beaten path" optional stuff was garbage.  So I liked it, 7 out of 10 for me, but I didn't think it deserved the praise it got.  Demon and Dark 1 and 3 are much better.  Personal preference but I loathe lazy filler in games.  Elden had a lot of fluff.



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zeldaring on 28 June 2023
Chrkeller said:
zeldaring said:

They are porting mortal kombat 1 to switch. Aside from zelda most Nintendo games aren't really looking to push graphics like most AAA developers.

I have to say elden ring is pretty great, surprised you didn't like it, although the story sucks.

That is true but I think it depends on what the hardware pushes in terms of physics, loading, etc.  The current switch could be limited by something other than graphics.

The main portion of Elden is superb.  The "off the beaten path" optional stuff was garbage.  So I liked it, 7 out of 10 for me, but I didn't think it deserved the praise it got.  Demon and Dark 1 and 3 are much better.  Personal preference but I loathe lazy filler in games.  Elden had a lot of fluff.

Yea anything is possible. interesting to see nintendo actually pushes impressive graphics again. i'm sure zelda will but not sure about the others.  

My main complaint is the story, and lack of compelling characters. like just give me a story and some side quests that make sense, but the combat and the variety on enemies is just insane. the world is awesome to explore as well with beautiful art. I also feel like i wanna level up and kill everything. 67 hours in just beat margot omen king. Been trying to kill the crucible knight duo for 2 hours did you ever kill them?