The disparity in the 2020 votes compared to 2024 on the Democrat side baffles even the average leftist. Only Trump's numbers made sense and was actually close to his 2020 performance. I still standby my belief that there was some magic done in the 2020 elections.

In hindsight, I'm glad he won this year rather than 2020. Otherwise, the Democrats would have just made some bullshit case against him and waste tax payer's money like they did in Trump's first term. Not to mention, he won the popular vote this time around which the leftists kept touting as a reason to get rid of the EV.

In other news, the average leftist/European reaction when it comes to me telling them why I support mass deportation of illegal migrants.

They always keep lumping us legal migrants who went through the process as if we owe them to vote for Democrats. It's this out of touch, condescending behavior that pushes people away from supporting your cause.

Even though I'm in the quagmire that is the deep blue state of California, there seems to be some life blossoming. People actually shot down a couple of really bad Democrat policies that would have ballooned the budget even further. Glad to have done my part and voted for Steve Garvey and Trump and helping shootdown a couple of those horrible policies.

Or you know 

A.) Latinos will get harassed because police will assume they're here illegally. We had already seen American citizens that were "accidentally" deported during Trump's first term.

B.) In a lot of cases, would know someone who is illegal. And liberals don't understand why they would want to hurt someone they know. 

You can still keep denying what's really happening and argue in bad faith but it won't change what's really going on right now. Just here in California, they busted a crime ring that had illegals coming in and out of the border to do burglary. They even made a term for it. Crime Tourism. The lax border is being used to abuse the system. It's not just in Cali, it's every where else.

No one has ever denied that some illegal immigrants are criminals. 

The thing that you conservatives seem to struggle to understand is that liberals don't tend to take these ultra black and white positions. There's a practically frustrating amount of nuance to basically everything.

Some illegal immigrants are murders and rapists and burglars. If you took literally any sizable group of even a thousand people, some of those people are going to be those things. 

If you think that liberals are completely denying that some people are criminals, then you've completely misunderstood their position.

The liberal concerns are:

1.) How much investment is it worth to do deportation? You were just complaining about ballooning a budget. Have you considered the logistics that are required to shut down the border and do all these deportations. How feasible is it to cover a few thousands mile of border. How feasible is it to find 10 million or whatever illegal immigrants and deport them? It would easily cost hundreds of billions dollars overall. 

1a.) How much of this crime would actually be prevented, if you actually did those things? A lot of drugs are illegal in the US, that doesn't stop them from costing billions. 

2.) They're less likely to commit crime than citizens. Which again, "less likely" does not mean "no crime".  It's still a lot of crime actually.

3.) Is that actually the most feasible way to prevent these issues? Conservatives love to punish people, and yet that is frequently the most expensive way to handle things. 

It's this constant idea, that we need a bigger hammer on these issues. Instead of ever wondering, maybe there are other better ways. 

There's a difference between spending money to fix a problem that the Democrats have caused. We didn't need to get here in the first place if we actually enforced our borders and kept the illegals out. Trump did it before the Dems surely could find a way if they really wanted to. But we all know they wouldn't do that because they're politically pandering.

It's preposterous you people say that we don't know if they will commit a crime. Illegally crossing the border is already a crime. I don't care if they will be doing violent crime or what not, the rule of law must be followed. There is a process to legally migrate and people should abide by it. If no one wants to follow it, then why the hell do we have these laws for at this point? Then I should have entered illegally here if that's the case.

I'm so tired with all these appeal to emotion you people do. It's egregiously manipulative. I'd rather give money to an organization that rehabilitates homeless US CITIZENS in a meaningful way that actually yields results than let the government whimsically give out tax payer's money to illegal immigrants. This irresponsible spending is how California spent $20+ Billion on tackling homeless with no audit and no results to show.

Them doing violent crime is only a short term issue. The long term effects of these unvetted mass immigration is that it also allows them to abuse birthright citizenship. When that kid is old enough to vote, they can be manipulated into voting for a specific party IF that party pandered to them by promising amnesty and/or a path to citizenship for their parents which they do not deserve in the first place. So far, the Democrats have been pushing for such for a long time. It's baffling that you think it's absurd that Legal Migrants hate this bullshit. You simply resort to calling us conservative as a derogatory. Guess what, that shit don't mean anything to people like me anymore.

Someone on X seems to share that belief.

And this time it was just too hard to cheat while democrats were actually in power?

Do you guys listen to yourselves talk?

Here's a simple explanation for 2020, it was the easiest year to vote ever. It was awesome, shit got sent to your house, you filled it out at home, and then you dropped it in a box. Best experience I've ever had voting. You make it easier to do the thing and more people do it is not surprising to me in the slightest. You make it more difficult again and that number goes back down is also not a surprise.

I see a lot of people using the same joke "hey, maybe we did rig the election in 2020" 😆 but yeah, your explanation makes the most sense. I seen "did Biden drop out of the race" searches increased on election day, perhaps the average dem citizen just doesn't care, oh and also the polls telling everyone that Harris would win which would cause complacency. Perhaps it's time to abolish polling for this effect, what's it's use anyway?

The other explanation is the people are not happy with the current administration and the DNC ran on the two points:

a) everything is great, we aren't changing anything

b) we aren't the other guy

Maybe it didn't resonant?  Maybe running anyone associated with an administration that has a 60% disapproval rating was simple demotivating for many?  

Another perfectly reasonable explanation. Y'know what isn't an explanation though? That Democrats can steal elections but only when Trump is in office. That's one of the dumbest conspiracy theories I've ever heard. Not everything is a conspiracy sometimes shit's just different for one reason or another. Just like sometimes it snows in Texas and it's not fake snow, sometimes it floods in areas that don't usually flood and it's not because there's Lithium, and sometimes people pulling voting boxes out from under tables only looks weird because you have no idea how that system works and have no basis to judge what's weird or not.