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Farsala said:

Just some quick math.

My estimates for 2021

500k PS5 @ $480= 240m
1.13m Switch @ $290= 327m
650k XBS @ $470= 305m

Total= .87b (spot on)

Using my estimates that I stated earlier in the thread for 2022

1.1m PS5 @ $520= 572m
950k Switch @ $320= 304m
900k XBS @ $330= 297m

Total= 1.17b ( Only 80m off)

With that math down, you can see that my scenario is entirely possible, with some minor adjustments. I think XBS is actually lower sales to revenue ratio, now that I look at it more.

Average selling price makes a bit of a difference. We had come up with slightly lower figures. $510 for PS5 and $310 for Xbox Series and Switch. Series S was discounted to $250 and would likely be the vast majority of Xbox Series sales thinking like 75-80%, plus the Series X did see a discount to $400 on the MS Store on Instagram. At this point it is impossible to be 100% right without more data from NPD. It is about getting as close as possible until more data is available. 



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LEGO Star Wars that high on the ytd sellers is pretty crazy.

It’s too bad Scarlet/Violet will surely have some momentum cut by all the game’s problems. If it had actually delivered, may have beaten cod for the year which would have been nice for once



HyrulianScrolls said:

LEGO Star Wars that high on the ytd sellers is pretty crazy.

It’s too bad Scarlet/Violet will surely have some momentum cut by all the game’s problems. If it had actually delivered, may have beaten cod for the year which would have been nice for once

I was going to buy Violet at launch then I saw all the issues with the game. Once they are fixed I plan on buying it. 



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Mar1217 said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

PS5's victory is confirmed✌ï¸ÂâœŒï¸Â
I came here after a long time to say that.

Now, get in VGC jail and stay there !

You're still here too 😁👍



My prediction in 2023.

SW: 27m

PS5: 24m

XBS: 12m

Kyuu said:

I think Pokemon Scarlet and Violet sold more copies launch aligned. It was released a week later, and the rankings are revenue based (Pokemon is $10 cheaper than the PS5 version of Ragnarok).

Still... Scarlet/Violet (globally) had the greatest launch of all time for an exclusive game. For Ragnarok to rival that in the US, by selling primarily to PS5's small playerbase, is extremely impressive. Spider-Man 2 and Zelda Tears of the Kingdom will both gun for best US exclusive launch ever next year (excluding free mass bundles). Starfield might perform very well too when accounting for PC sales (Bethesda doesn't report digital).

CosmicSex said:

PS5 is also gonna win December.
I am certain.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it. If it does win December though, I half-expect it to have an impressive streak and win every month until November 2023 at the earliest, and Switch 2 launch at the latest. Though there may be some shipping issues around the time the revision is launched (September~) that could lead to a loss before that. Good chance Sony would prioritize other regions too, but I have a good feeling about production.

Totally agree.  It shouldn't be controversial to say that God of War sales were impressive.  Knowing Pokemon's popularity there is no threat in admitting God of War sold well.  

About sales, the reason why I knew the PS5 was gonna win the US is because from a business perspective, Sony SHOULD prioritize the US simply because the dollar is strong. So when Will was rightfully asking where the stock was, I think it should have been obvious that they were sent to the US.   There is a very strong likelihood that it is still under tracked.   It's gonna take years to saturate the US market.  Sales will continue to be tied to stock.  Switch 2 launch could easily pass the PS5 on NPD.  Otherwise like you said I see Sony taking NPD as long as it can keep stock.  I would like to see charts estimates more closely match what's happening in the US.  I think this is 5 months in a row the miscalled first place.  



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trunkswd said:
Farsala said:

Just some quick math.

My estimates for 2021

500k PS5 @ $480= 240m
1.13m Switch @ $290= 327m
650k XBS @ $470= 305m

Total= .87b (spot on)

Using my estimates that I stated earlier in the thread for 2022

1.1m PS5 @ $520= 572m
950k Switch @ $320= 304m
900k XBS @ $330= 297m

Total= 1.17b ( Only 80m off)

With that math down, you can see that my scenario is entirely possible, with some minor adjustments. I think XBS is actually lower sales to revenue ratio, now that I look at it more.

Average selling price makes a bit of a difference. We had come up with slightly lower figures. $510 for PS5 and $310 for Xbox Series and Switch. Series S was discounted to $250 and would likely be the vast majority of Xbox Series sales thinking like 75-80%, plus the Series X did see a discount to $400 on the MS Store on Instagram. At this point it is impossible to be 100% right without more data from NPD. It is about getting as close as possible until more data is available. 

Yeah everyone is probably very much wrong.

Still I like to make arguments for different scenarios. Piscatella for example said one year when all consoles surpassed 1m sales, this year he didn't state such a thing, so I don't think it happened.

Too bad there isn't much discourse about HW sales though. I also considered giving up and not talking about it all after the hacks.



brute said:
CosmicSex said:

Guys all I know is that God of War and Call of Duty outsold Pokemon on this chart. And that is an excellent achievement. If it is true that bundles aren't included then it definitely outsold Pokemon even with digital sales. And that's okay.

One thing to also be mindful of is that the chart is revenue based.

Great point.

More caveats:

God of War had $60, $70, $99 and higher SKUs

Pokemon had $60 and $99 SKUs

One thing I believe is that the PlayStation ecosystem has way more people buying digitally.  



Farsala said:
trunkswd said:

Average selling price makes a bit of a difference. We had come up with slightly lower figures. $510 for PS5 and $310 for Xbox Series and Switch. Series S was discounted to $250 and would likely be the vast majority of Xbox Series sales thinking like 75-80%, plus the Series X did see a discount to $400 on the MS Store on Instagram. At this point it is impossible to be 100% right without more data from NPD. It is about getting as close as possible until more data is available. 

Yeah everyone is probably very much wrong.

Still I like to make arguments for different scenarios. Piscatella for example said one year when all consoles surpassed 1m sales, this year he didn't state such a thing, so I don't think it happened.

Too bad there isn't much discourse about HW sales though. I also considered giving up and not talking about it all after the hacks.

Nice to see you are still here. Our estimates are just that estimates. We are open to hearing what people have to say and we do take into consideration as long as there is some math / data behind it. 

I dealt with a lot of hate because our US estimates didn't match the NPD data 100%. Mainly because we had the order wrong. But overall the numbers weren't wrong by a ton considering how little data we are able to get (plus looking at historical data) to do our estimates. Xbox Series was 13% off compared to where we have it now, which is more than I would like. But people were acting like we were off by a lot more than that. 

I could wait for the monthly reports (US, UK, Europe) to come in before doing the estimates for each given month. This is something I've thought about doing for a while now. It would mean the initial estimates we post would be more accurate. Though not 100% accurate as there isn't much data available for certain parts of the world like Asia and Africa. The downside is the estimates would be posted several weeks later than they are now. 



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When talking about God of War and Pokémon. It is hard to know for sure which one sold more. The ranking is by revenue and Nintendo published games don't include digital. Plus Pokémon launched 9 days later in the month. So it had less days available.



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Farsala said:
ShadowLink93 said:

Last year totaled 2.3m, a 45% increase would mean 3.35m. so maybe

PS5 - 1.25m

Switch - 1.1m

XBS - 1m

45% increase is based on revenue.

That is without taking into account that the PS5 was the best selling console due to the God of War bundle which increases the ASP of PS5. I don't think PS5 came close to 1.25m.

Switch as well, I am sure also had a higher ASP this year due to much improved OLED stock compared to last year.

The only console with a lower ASP was XBS, but it was also the lowest selling console of the month.

The increase in price for PS5 would be offset by the decrease in price for XBSS and it being the main SKU. I agree that PS5 being the best seller would knock down the total a bit  though so maybe not a 3.35m total then maybe 3.1m or 3.2m.