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sc94597 said:
Chrkeller said:

You don't think boycotting this game would have ramifications to the programmers, developers, artists, musicians all employed by Platinum?  You believe it would have no impact to their company profits?

I believe Platinum Games has positioned itself as the go-to cheap third-party developer in Japan and will not have trouble getting contracts if Bayonetta failed. They are one of the most prolific developers in the country. Work isn't going to run out, especially not because of a boycott. 

If sales hurt anybody at Platinum it will be the executives and management who likely have some royalty agreement. Regular developers rarely have these things. At best they hope for minor bonuses (a few single digit % of their salaries.) 

Maybe.  I've worked at companies that resort to layoffs if financial metrics are below expectations.  It would depend, IMHO, how successful the boycott is.  Which is won't be, because nobody cares.  I hope it sells crazy well, not only is Platinum amazing but Bayo in particular is great.  



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sc94597 said:
Chrkeller said:

But it is about her?  We should screw over multiple dozens of programmers because one person didn't like her offer and willingly turned it down?  Like seriously, this is an actual discussion?  

How are programmers getting screwed here? Do their paychecks that they've been paid disappear suddenly? Nintendo is the one who gets the profits as IP holder and publisher, not Platinum. The most the programmers will lose out on if the sales are bad would be bonuses, but often bonuses for programmers are tied to reviews not necessarily just sales.

Imagine you work on something for 5 years and then it flops and all the work was for nothing even if you did get your money.

Even ignoring that, if the game flops they will loose out on making Bayonetta 4.



Chrkeller said:
sc94597 said:

I believe Platinum Games has positioned itself as the go-to cheap third-party developer in Japan and will not have trouble getting contracts if Bayonetta failed. They are one of the most prolific developers in the country. Work isn't going to run out, especially not because of a boycott. 

If sales hurt anybody at Platinum it will be the executives and management who likely have some royalty agreement. Regular developers rarely have these things. At best they hope for minor bonuses (a few single digit % of their salaries.) 

Maybe.  I've worked at companies that resort to layoffs if financial metrics are below expectations.  It would depend, IMHO, how successful the boycott is.  Which is won't be, because nobody cares.  I hope it sells crazy well, not only is Platinum amazing but Bayo in particular is great.  

Part of the arrangement between Platinum and Nintendo (and most third-party developers working on another's IP) is that the risks and costs are held by the publisher/IP owner but the publisher/IP owner also gets the bulk of the reward; the developer is mostly insulated from all of these. It is very much like an employer-employee arrangement. It would only hurt Platinum if Nintendo (or another publisher) refused to work with them in the future, but if the game's sales are hurt because of a boycott you can't blame Platinum for that. Nintendo/NoA (as they are the publisher) are the ones who set the development budgets as the entities paying for the game, not Platinum.



A boycott seems highly unlikely, but I am very much on her side when it comes to getting proper compensation for her work. I don't think it's in any way unreasonable for a performer to expect to be paid fairly for their work, especially on a highly anticipated title that's likely going to do very good business upon release like Bayonetta 3.



Darashiva said:

A boycott seems highly unlikely, but I am very much on her side when it comes to getting proper compensation for her work. I don't think it's in any way unreasonable for a performer to expect to be paid fairly for their work, especially on a highly anticipated title that's likely going to do very good business upon release like Bayonetta 3.

Fair is relative to how much value they think she adds. For whatever reason, they didn't seem to think it was worth that much. It isn't like they just didn't want to shell out the money, because they picked a pretty expensive replacement. They were willing to compensate someone well for the role, just didn't think she was worth it. 

Sounds like they just really did not want her to work, but would be willing to change their minds if she was able to do it much cheaper than a voice actress they think was more valuable. If that's the case, I don't really fault them.



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sc94597 said:
Chrkeller said:

Maybe.  I've worked at companies that resort to layoffs if financial metrics are below expectations.  It would depend, IMHO, how successful the boycott is.  Which is won't be, because nobody cares.  I hope it sells crazy well, not only is Platinum amazing but Bayo in particular is great.  

Part of the arrangement between Platinum and Nintendo (and most third-party developers working on another's IP) is that the risks and costs are held by the publisher/IP owner but the publisher/IP owner also gets the bulk of the reward; the developer is mostly insulated from all of these. It is very much like an employer-employee arrangement. It would only hurt Platinum if Nintendo (or another publisher) refused to work with them in the future, but if the game's sales are hurt because of a boycott you can't blame Platinum for that. Nintendo/NoA (as they are the publisher) are the ones who set the development budgets as the entities paying for the game, not Platinum.

And if Bayo 3 flops, you don't think that could damage Nintendo's relationship with Platinum?  You don't think it could impact a potential (perhaps even likely) Bayo 4?  A boycott isn't harmless.  

Just my opinion but Bayo is the best action franchise in gaming.  I would hate to see it damaged because some person didn't get the money she wanted.  

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Chrkeller said:
sc94597 said:

Part of the arrangement between Platinum and Nintendo (and most third-party developers working on another's IP) is that the risks and costs are held by the publisher/IP owner but the publisher/IP owner also gets the bulk of the reward; the developer is mostly insulated from all of these. It is very much like an employer-employee arrangement. It would only hurt Platinum if Nintendo (or another publisher) refused to work with them in the future, but if the game's sales are hurt because of a boycott you can't blame Platinum for that. Nintendo/NoA (as they are the publisher) are the ones who set the development budgets as the entities paying for the game, not Platinum.

And if Bayo 3 flops, you don't think that could damage Nintendo's relationship with Platinum?  You don't think it could impact a potential (perhaps even likely) Bayo 4?  A boycott isn't harmless.  

Just my opinion but Bayo is the best action franchise in gaming.  I would hate to see it damaged because some person didn't get the money she wanted.  

Again, it's not just about the money. It's about Platinum wanting her out just because. It's about Platinum lying publicly and blaming Hellena's schedule for her abscence in the game. And sure, it's about Platinum humilliating a person by offering her a ridiculous number and only accepting to pay her the so called "industry standard" after she writte a letter to motherfucking Hideki Kamiya.

I don't know, Chrkeller. If you don't want to support the boycott, that's fine. If you think she shouldn't have called for the boycott in the first place, that's fine. If you think Hellena shouldn't have picked on Jennifer, that's fine. But don't reduce the matter to just "she refused the money and now she's pissed". Is far more than that. It's about dignity and calling a company out for doing something bad.



Vodacixi said:
Chrkeller said:

And if Bayo 3 flops, you don't think that could damage Nintendo's relationship with Platinum?  You don't think it could impact a potential (perhaps even likely) Bayo 4?  A boycott isn't harmless.  

Just my opinion but Bayo is the best action franchise in gaming.  I would hate to see it damaged because some person didn't get the money she wanted.  

Again, it's not just about the money. It's about Platinum wanting her out just because. It's about Platinum lying publicly and blaming Hellena's schedule for her abscence in the game. And sure, it's about Platinum humilliating a person by offering her a ridiculous number and only accepting to pay her the so called "industry standard" after she writte a letter to motherfucking Hideki Kamiya.

I don't know, Chrkeller. If you don't want to support the boycott, that's fine. If you think she shouldn't have called for the boycott in the first place, that's fine. If you think Hellena shouldn't have picked on Jennifer, that's fine. But don't reduce the matter to just "she refused the money and now she's pissed". Is far more than that. It's about dignity and calling a company out for doing something bad.

What should they have said then? "We dont want Helena anymore, we want Jennifer"

Yeah, that wouldnt be humiliating at all...



Vodacixi said:
Chrkeller said:

And if Bayo 3 flops, you don't think that could damage Nintendo's relationship with Platinum?  You don't think it could impact a potential (perhaps even likely) Bayo 4?  A boycott isn't harmless.  

Just my opinion but Bayo is the best action franchise in gaming.  I would hate to see it damaged because some person didn't get the money she wanted.  

Again, it's not just about the money. It's about Platinum wanting her out just because. It's about Platinum lying publicly and blaming Hellena's schedule for her abscence in the game. And sure, it's about Platinum humilliating a person by offering her a ridiculous number and only accepting to pay her the so called "industry standard" after she writte a letter to motherfucking Hideki Kamiya.

I don't know, Chrkeller. If you don't want to support the boycott, that's fine. If you think she shouldn't have called for the boycott in the first place, that's fine. If you think Hellena shouldn't have picked on Jennifer, that's fine. But don't reduce the matter to just "she refused the money and now she's pissed". Is far more than that. It's about dignity and calling a company out for doing something bad.

Maybe Platinum had a reason for wanting her out?  Seems to me nobody has specifics, just her view.  People can boycott all they want.  I'll be enjoying a superb game because her career isn't my problem.



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KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

Again, it's not just about the money. It's about Platinum wanting her out just because. It's about Platinum lying publicly and blaming Hellena's schedule for her abscence in the game. And sure, it's about Platinum humilliating a person by offering her a ridiculous number and only accepting to pay her the so called "industry standard" after she writte a letter to motherfucking Hideki Kamiya.

I don't know, Chrkeller. If you don't want to support the boycott, that's fine. If you think she shouldn't have called for the boycott in the first place, that's fine. If you think Hellena shouldn't have picked on Jennifer, that's fine. But don't reduce the matter to just "she refused the money and now she's pissed". Is far more than that. It's about dignity and calling a company out for doing something bad.

What should they have said then? "We dont want Helena anymore, we want Jennifer"

Yeah, that wouldnt be humiliating at all...

They could have:

- Said nothing (best option, probably wouldn't have triggered Hellena given the moment she decided to talk)

- Said anything but putting the blame on her

- Given a generic PR answer and move on

They decided to just  lie and say the fans of the game and the character that her iconic voice actress just didn't want to make room in her schedule to work on Bayonetta 3. Literally the worst course of action and a direct attack on her AFTER humilliating her before.