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Chrkeller on 13 July 2022

TLoU on the ps5 is a remaster of a remaster. While the game is superb, it does seem completely unnecessary in a cash grab sort of way.



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Drakrami on 13 July 2022
mZuzek said:
Drakrami said:

Such a flawed post lol.
Most of the best games are high graphic games.

Elden Ring, Horizon West, Red Dead 2, Halo Infinite.

What exactly do you want to be innovated? And what genre are you talking about? If you are talking about open world, they are constantly trying to put new stuff in. That is why you see GTA5 with the different person perspective, games like Watch Dogs taking on a hacking perspective. And then you have games like For Honor, Skull and Bones, new generations of Assassins Creed. For RPGs Square has tried to innovate and make new combat systems for every numbered final fantasy coming out. There's actually plenty of innovation in the industry.

More like you are asking for the sky because you don't know there's a limit because you are not a developer.

Back to your point. One of the developers don't care much about graphics and that's Nintendo. Do you see a lot of innovation from them? I see Mario after mario, Zelda after Zelda. There's some innovation, but not much more than the rest of the industry.

These are bad points too. Slapping a hacking theme on an open-world isn't innovative at all. Square trying different combat systems on Final Fantasy might be "innovative" within its own series but none of these systems do much that hasn't been seen in other games before. It's funny you complain that Nintendo does "Zelda after Zelda", but then use Assassin's Creed as a good example. Also, Zelda is widely regarded as one of the most innovative games of the past decade.

I've played like 2 hours of BotW (it's in my backlog games to play), can you elaborate what's this high praise you are giving it for innovation? It's just open world Zelda, an amazing game, but what's the innovative part? Assassin's Creed is an excellent example. The 1st two ACs that came out in 2007 was very innovative for the gaming industry as a whole. AC4 (Blackflag) bought new elements and they are now basically making a sequel to that called Skull and Bones. And then they basically rebirthed the franchise with AC Origins in 2017. Tons of innovation people don't talk about and take for granted. They do have flaw of releasing a new AC every year, but that's not the main point. 

And you writing off Square's innovation is laughable, again taking things for granted. Do you know how different combat systems are from FF10 to 12 to 13? 15 is all action, if it's good or not or innovative, that's debatable. But for 16, they are again doing a totally new combat system. What's Zelda's combat system? R1 for Slash? 

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Chrkeller on 13 July 2022
Drakrami said:
mZuzek said:

These are bad points too. Slapping a hacking theme on an open-world isn't innovative at all. Square trying different combat systems on Final Fantasy might be "innovative" within its own series but none of these systems do much that hasn't been seen in other games before. It's funny you complain that Nintendo does "Zelda after Zelda", but then use Assassin's Creed as a good example. Also, Zelda is widely regarded as one of the most innovative games of the past decade.

I've played like 2 hours of BotW (it's in my backlog games to play), can you elaborate what's this high praise you are giving it for innovation? It's just open world Zelda, an amazing game, but what's the innovative part? Assassin's Creed is an excellent example. The 1st two ACs that came out in 2007 was very innovative for the gaming industry as a whole. AC4 (Blackflag) bought new elements and they are now basically making a sequel to that called Skull and Bones. And then they basically rebirthed the franchise with AC Origins in 2017. Tons of innovation people don't talk about and take for granted. They do have flaw of releasing a new AC every year, but that's not the main point. 

And you writing off Square's innovation is laughable, again taking things for granted. Do you know how different combat systems are from FF10 to 12 to 13? 15 is all action, if it's good or not or innovative, that's debatable. But for 16, they are again doing a totally new combat system. What's Zelda's combat system? R1 for Slash? 

It is an open world non linear game.  Elder Scrolls, Forbidden West and Elden Ring require the main story to played out linearly.  BotW I can approach the story in a non linear fashion.  Additionally the physics engine allows for some crazy creativity.  The main advantage is being able to tackle a problem in a wide variety of approaches.

As for combat, I would like to see Zelda do better.  The combat in BotW was weak.  I would love BotW to be souls like.

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konnichiwa on 13 July 2022

Realistic graphics =/= Realistic gameplay. It is also a different group of consumers.






Chrkeller on 13 July 2022
CGI-Quality said:
Chrkeller said:

TLoU on the ps5 is a remaster of a remaster. 

The assets are built from the ground up, so it isn't a Remaster. It only uses the original audio, but the gameplay, models, environments and anything canvas related have been rebuilt.

Remake of a remaster?  Either way, seems silly.  The ps4 version looks great.  



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Chrkeller on 13 July 2022
CGI-Quality said:
Chrkeller said:

Remake of a remaster?  Either way, seems silly.  The ps4 version looks great.  

The PS4 version does look great, but nowhere near as good as the Remake.

Sure.  But worth buying a third time?  Not for me, but too each their own.  



Hynad on 13 July 2022
mZuzek said:
Drakrami said:

Such a flawed post lol.
Most of the best games are high graphic games.

Elden Ring, Horizon West, Red Dead 2, Halo Infinite.

What exactly do you want to be innovated? And what genre are you talking about? If you are talking about open world, they are constantly trying to put new stuff in. That is why you see GTA5 with the different person perspective, games like Watch Dogs taking on a hacking perspective. And then you have games like For Honor, Skull and Bones, new generations of Assassins Creed. For RPGs Square has tried to innovate and make new combat systems for every numbered final fantasy coming out. There's actually plenty of innovation in the industry.

More like you are asking for the sky because you don't know there's a limit because you are not a developer.

Back to your point. One of the developers don't care much about graphics and that's Nintendo. Do you see a lot of innovation from them? I see Mario after mario, Zelda after Zelda. There's some innovation, but not much more than the rest of the industry.

These are bad points too. Slapping a hacking theme on an open-world isn't innovative at all. Square trying different combat systems on Final Fantasy might be "innovative" within its own series but none of these systems do much that hasn't been seen in other games before. It's funny you complain that Nintendo does "Zelda after Zelda", but then use Assassin's Creed as a good example. Also, Zelda is widely regarded as one of the most innovative games of the past decade.

Zelda, the most innovative? One of the best games of the past decade, sure. But most innovative? Nope.

Your argument about it being such already falls on its head after you mentioned that other games don’t achieve anything that hasn’t been seen in other games before, same as Zelda. If you apply this line of thought to other games, you have to remove the blinders and apply the same to Zelda.



Chrkeller on 13 July 2022
Hynad said:
mZuzek said:

These are bad points too. Slapping a hacking theme on an open-world isn't innovative at all. Square trying different combat systems on Final Fantasy might be "innovative" within its own series but none of these systems do much that hasn't been seen in other games before. It's funny you complain that Nintendo does "Zelda after Zelda", but then use Assassin's Creed as a good example. Also, Zelda is widely regarded as one of the most innovative games of the past decade.

Zelda, the most innovative? One of the best games of the past decade, sure. But most innovative? Nope.

Your argument about it being such already falls on its head after you mentioned that other games don’t achieve anything that hasn’t been seen in other games before, same as Zelda. If you apply this line of thought to other games, you have to remove the blinders and apply the same to Zelda.

The original Zelda was very innovative and new to world.  Skyward, love it or hate it, was innovative in motion controls.  BotW had a whole new level of environmental interaction.  Zelda has been quite innovative.  I would argue Ocarina brought new to world 3D controls that were never seen before via Z-targeting.  

I think Zelda is one of the more innovative franchises in gaming.  



Hynad on 13 July 2022
Chrkeller said:
Hynad said:

Zelda, the most innovative? One of the best games of the past decade, sure. But most innovative? Nope.

Your argument about it being such already falls on its head after you mentioned that other games don’t achieve anything that hasn’t been seen in other games before, same as Zelda. If you apply this line of thought to other games, you have to remove the blinders and apply the same to Zelda.

The original Zelda was very innovative and new to world.  Skyward, love it or hate it, was innovative in motion controls.  BotW had a whole new level of environmental interaction.  Zelda has been quite innovative.  I would argue Ocarina brought new to world 3D controls that were never seen before via Z-targeting.  

I think Zelda is one of the more innovative franchises in gaming.  

mZuzek said “of the past decade”, referring to BOTW. And that’s what I responded to.

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Chrkeller on 13 July 2022
Hynad said:
Chrkeller said:

The original Zelda was very innovative and new to world.  Skyward, love it or hate it, was innovative in motion controls.  BotW had a whole new level of environmental interaction.  Zelda has been quite innovative.  I would argue Ocarina brought new to world 3D controls that were never seen before via Z-targeting.  

I think Zelda is one of the more innovative franchises in gaming.  

You said “of the past decade”, referring to BOTW. And that’s what I responded to.

Sure and I find BotW innovative.  Open world that is non linear with the main quest is quite new.  And the environmental interactions are new to world.  There is a reason why it dominated reviews and sales.  

And I didn't say anything regarding "of the past decade."  I make a general Zelda comment, which I stand by.