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Chazore said:

Just gonna have to disagree with the both of you tbh, but at the same time, I don't think I could convince either of you in this lifetime, nor any other universe (OP certainly couldn't).

Luck does indeed exist, calculated or not, but whatever. 

We don't need to convince each other, it's okay to have different experiences and opinions of a given system or company, and I actually find it enjoyable to talk about, so thanks for the discussion.

ZyroXZ2 said:

I'm actually rather glad we got some people all piled up in here. It's far easier to address a larger number of people than one-by-one... Then again, as the saying from MiB goes, "a person is smart, people are stupid". Or in other words, mob mentality is hard to curb.  But to those people, and you know who you are...

I'll drop a nice little nugget of knowledge: if you want people like me to drop off the face of the Earth, the real trick is to NOT get all riled up and just ignore/block me. You want to know why the actual toxic videos (because anyone with more than 10 IQ knows my video wasn't actually toxic aside from its two jabs at fanboys) do so well? Because it angers the mob mentality. You want to know why people purposely use REAL clickbait headlines (because my headline ain't no clickbait, either, it just offends Nintendo fanboys because it contains the words "Nintendo" and hyperbole with "greatest enemy"), misinformation, and general negativity to anger the masses? Because it WORKS. And it's not because of them, it's because of you all thinking you're winning and "right". This, this thread is why negativity thrives: toxic people beget toxic people. "Let's all gang up on this guy, yeaaaa, he's so stupid!" and all you've done is create the very conundrum many of you accuse me of. Of course, that's because you're LOOKING for it, and there's the real problem. It's not me, it's you. The good news is that I don't plan to take advantage of it, and never will. You THINK I do, but seriously, you're just weaving webs of meaning where there isn't any.

You want the real win? Do what you normally do: don't watch my stuff, block me, pay no attention to it. Otherwise, this behavior, it's what MAKES gaming journalism what it is today. It's what MAKES content creators seeking fame and fortune try extra hard to clickbait you into getting mad, to inject one-sided or highly opinionated statements into their articles/content specifically aimed to rile you up. Don't fall for it, because I know you do if you're in here in this thread fighting an invisible fight. You're the very thing it feeds off of. And while I made light of this mindsight with the "answer to Zelda" stuff, my actual expectations around here are the usual maybe 10 views I get. I mostly come here for the handful of good people here who aren't looking around for stuff to be mad about and just want some stuff to watch or talk about (I've proven I'm happy to have discourse with someone who isn't coming at my like their feelings are hurt). For the record, though, this thread has only resulted in about 50 views of the video, which is abnormally high and as I said, even a shock to me lol

Let's hope there is no next time because you're all going to wise up in unison. Mob mentality can be curbed, right? RIGHT?

OH SHIT, I have Steam Deck vs Switch videos coming... WELP

I notice you stopped quoting me here, but to echo my statement above, I don't see a need for this to be adversarial.

I don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean I hold anything against you or want you to go away or shut up. Heck, this thread is one of the most interesting ones the forum has seen in recent weeks to be honest, its been a while since we had some good old fashioned debate going on.

I may be a Nintendo fan, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with people criticizing them. I may post a rebuttal, but that's not a demand that you see things my way. 



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Last edited by JWeinCom - on 25 July 2022

@ZyroXZ2 So if a larger number of people disagree with you and voice that disagreement they're all just a mob of fanboys and therefore all arguments are invalid. Makes total sense.



It's okay to admit you didn't read nor watch anything.

"We, here on a primarily Nintendo fandom forum, are outnumbering him, WE'RE WINNING!"

If that's what you think is happening, sure, attack the length of the reply since you've got nothing else. At least the other people are actually arguing the topic lmao

Oh, I haven't watched your video. It's clickbait and doesn't deserve the engagement.

I have been following this thread and it's amusing to see you spin and deflect without addressing actual criticisms. Like the 'we outnumber him so we're winning' which is a incredible strawman of my joke about how you're interacting with criticism. Only an idiot thinks you can 'win' a forum argument.

And implying 'all you guys are just disagreeing because you're fanboys' is silly. I'd say the same if you made these claims about any console maker. 

But do I agree with you on one thing. It is probably best to ignore you since you're either being deliberately obtuse to get hate-views or just that bone-headed.



On one hand, with a lot of goodwill, this video and thread could be interpreted as a social experiment where someone purposefully trolls for the sake of demonstrating how something blows up when people don't live by the mantra of "don't feed the troll."

On the other hand, there's an existing posting history of someone who is bad at arguing his points and in general only gets people to agree with him when he makes the most general of points. So this troll job is just who he is, including the suggestion that not the troll is the problem, but only the people who respond to him. But anyone who has frequented gaming forums for at least a few years knows very well that the only real solution to the problem is the banning of the troll. Not to mention that this solution requires the effort of far fewer people whereas "don't respond to stupidity" as an unwritten rule across an entire community simply does not work on a forum, especially not on this particular one in its current state where most of the remaining people gladly take a bad discussion over no discussion at all.

It probably doesn't need to be said, but I spell it out anyway: If someone goes against the grain, it's normal to have a majority disagree with the points that were made. Still, if there's at least a lick of sense in any of the statements, a few people will agree. But when everyone without exception says that a particular video is plain bad, then the most logical explanation is that the video is indeed plain bad. Naturally, we all are still waiting for a reasonable response that supports the assumption that success of a company is the worst thing for its consumers.



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Also, anyone who is familiar with the Nintendo fanbase know that nobody criticizes Nintendo more than their ardent fans.
Look at the response to games like Metroid Prime Federation Force or Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, where petitions to have them canceled amassed tens of thousands of signatures.
The notion that the fanbase will defend anything they do to the death is quite unrealistic.

It's not a matter of fans disagreeing on principal, it's simply that Nintendo's success does indeed tangibly benefit us in more ways than it harms us.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 24 July 2022

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023. (And over 130 million lifetime)

Doctor_MG said:

Edit: I actually had a pretty good reply typed out. I only paid attention to your response to me, bolded what I was arguing and sent it. After I submitted the comment I read what you wrote at the bottom that was separate from the responses and noticed that you A) lumped me in with everyone else even though I'm not paying attention to what you guys are arguing about and B) suggested I was basically just a stupid fanboy.

I don't appreciate that at all. I'm going to take your advice and ignore you. Good day. 

If you lumped yourself in with that, that's on you.  I would have figured it was pretty obvious who the bad actors were, so even though I've got nothing against you (and was pretty clear in replies to you that I was having normal discourse with you) or really anyone else that doesn't do obvious personal attacks or straight up denigrates me, know that if you decide to reply, I'll still discuss it with you.

curl-6 said:
Chazore said:

Just gonna have to disagree with the both of you tbh, but at the same time, I don't think I could convince either of you in this lifetime, nor any other universe (OP certainly couldn't).

Luck does indeed exist, calculated or not, but whatever. 

We don't need to convince each other, it's okay to have different experiences and opinions of a given system or company, and I actually find it enjoyable to talk about, so thanks for the discussion.

ZyroXZ2 said:

I'm actually rather glad we got some people all piled up in here. It's far easier to address a larger number of people than one-by-one... Then again, as the saying from MiB goes, "a person is smart, people are stupid". Or in other words, mob mentality is hard to curb.  But to those people, and you know who you are...

I'll drop a nice little nugget of knowledge: if you want people like me to drop off the face of the Earth, the real trick is to NOT get all riled up and just ignore/block me. You want to know why the actual toxic videos (because anyone with more than 10 IQ knows my video wasn't actually toxic aside from its two jabs at fanboys) do so well? Because it angers the mob mentality. You want to know why people purposely use REAL clickbait headlines (because my headline ain't no clickbait, either, it just offends Nintendo fanboys because it contains the words "Nintendo" and hyperbole with "greatest enemy"), misinformation, and general negativity to anger the masses? Because it WORKS. And it's not because of them, it's because of you all thinking you're winning and "right". This, this thread is why negativity thrives: toxic people beget toxic people. "Let's all gang up on this guy, yeaaaa, he's so stupid!" and all you've done is create the very conundrum many of you accuse me of. Of course, that's because you're LOOKING for it, and there's the real problem. It's not me, it's you. The good news is that I don't plan to take advantage of it, and never will. You THINK I do, but seriously, you're just weaving webs of meaning where there isn't any.

You want the real win? Do what you normally do: don't watch my stuff, block me, pay no attention to it. Otherwise, this behavior, it's what MAKES gaming journalism what it is today. It's what MAKES content creators seeking fame and fortune try extra hard to clickbait you into getting mad, to inject one-sided or highly opinionated statements into their articles/content specifically aimed to rile you up. Don't fall for it, because I know you do if you're in here in this thread fighting an invisible fight. You're the very thing it feeds off of. And while I made light of this mindsight with the "answer to Zelda" stuff, my actual expectations around here are the usual maybe 10 views I get. I mostly come here for the handful of good people here who aren't looking around for stuff to be mad about and just want some stuff to watch or talk about (I've proven I'm happy to have discourse with someone who isn't coming at my like their feelings are hurt). For the record, though, this thread has only resulted in about 50 views of the video, which is abnormally high and as I said, even a shock to me lol

Let's hope there is no next time because you're all going to wise up in unison. Mob mentality can be curbed, right? RIGHT?

OH SHIT, I have Steam Deck vs Switch videos coming... WELP

I notice you stopped quoting me here, but to echo my statement above, I don't see a need for this to be adversarial.

I don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean I hold anything against you or want you to go away or shut up. Heck, this thread is one of the most interesting ones the forum has seen in recent weeks to be honest, its been a while since we had some good old fashioned debate going on.

I may be a Nintendo fan, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with people criticizing them. I may post a rebuttal, but that's not a demand that you see things my way. 

You're fine, I clearly said earlier in this thread I recognize you're not emotionally thrashing your replies.  It's funny because I have a video that's been planned for a month or so that will come months from now, but I discuss the core of "gamer" social aptitude, or often the lack thereof.  There's a reason most of the general public continues to perceive "gamers" a certain way, and while I clearly know it's not everyone that fits the stereotype, there's a core issue with how "gamers" handle socializing over videogames that is widerspread than most other communities.

I've been on a LOT of forums over the years: cars, tech, etc. and even though every forum has the usual nutjobs, gaming somehow has them in far higher relative numbers.  Have I had disputes over cars?  Yup.  Have I had disputes over sports or tech?  Absolutely.  But when it happens in gaming, there's some serious loss of objectivity that it's just videogames at the end of the day, and instead there's this lack of ability to handle social adversity.  Instead, "gamers" almost always use some form of extreme prejudice against a person, whether it's their console of choice, their criticisms, and relate it to who they are as a person.  I've watched dudes argue over sports, and it never looks like dudes arguing over videogames.  In fact, two dudes arguing over sports highly likely have more respect for each other than two dudes arguing over videogames.

For the record, I recall you and I have had disagreements before, but I think you're also an example of where I don't make it personal unless someone else does.  We can disagree all day, and I've still got no beef with you.  But if it gets personal, then I just jump right into the mud with them lol

JWeinCom said:

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I'm presuming you have chosen to lump yourself in with the other guy above and ignore me?  I can't tell, these quote trees got so massive...  Whatever it is, if you can't determine who the obvious ones are and who aren't, I'm not about to sit here and type out usernames

Kakadu18 said:

@ZyroXZ2 So if a larger number of people disagree with you and voice that disagreement they're all just a mob of fanboys and therefore all arguments are invalid. Makes total sense.

Chyeaaa, there's that reach to create meaning where there isn't any.  But just in case it wasn't clear to you: agreement and disagreement are not based on numbers or right/wrong for sane minded people.  The statement about the mob is that many people use or need numbers to feel safe in their thoughts, and that makes it VERY hard for that person to ever see otherwise.  It's called "mob mentality" because it represents an inability for a large number of people to think independently.  Now if you're out here thinking everyone disagrees with me, that's clearly not the case...

psychicscubadiver said:

It's okay to admit you didn't read nor watch anything.

"We, here on a primarily Nintendo fandom forum, are outnumbering him, WE'RE WINNING!"

If that's what you think is happening, sure, attack the length of the reply since you've got nothing else. At least the other people are actually arguing the topic lmao

Oh, I haven't watched your video. It's clickbait and doesn't deserve the engagement.

I have been following this thread and it's amusing to see you spin and deflect without addressing actual criticisms. Like the 'we outnumber him so we're winning' which is a incredible strawman of my joke about how you're interacting with criticism. Only an idiot thinks you can 'win' a forum argument.

And implying 'all you guys are just disagreeing because you're fanboys' is silly. I'd say the same if you made these claims about any console maker. 

But do I agree with you on one thing. It is probably best to ignore you since you're either being deliberately obtuse to get hate-views or just that bone-headed.

Yes, I know you didn't watch it, it was kind of obvious.  You're part of the mob, in case anyone wanted me to point someone out lmfao...  Because if you thought for yourself, you'd have something actually useful to disagree with and present some information on the contrary, but instead you just have to ride off what you perceive as things "everyone else" is thinking and go with it.  You have nothing to say on your own because you don't actually know what was said, but here you are riding along with the mob.

I mean, sheesh, talk about bone-headed... lol

curl-6 said:

Also, anyone who is familiar with the Nintendo fanbase know that nobody criticizes Nintendo more than their ardent fans.
Look at the response to games like Metroid Prime Federation Force or Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, where petitions to have them canceled amassed tens of thousands of signatures.
The notion that the fanbase will defend anything they do to the death is quite unrealistic.

It's not a matter of fans disagreeing on principal, it's simply that Nintendo's success does indeed tangibly benefit us in more ways than it harms us.

To some extent, there is the presence of Nintendo fans who expect better.  But they clearly aren't in healthy enough numbers to make any real difference, hence the "Nintendo will do whatever they want anyway" thing.  That's because Nintendo follows the numbers, and so they work in ways that are impersonal because they're so big that they can.  That's also kind of the underlying point, here: there ISN'T enough criticism because the money keeps flowing from people who love everything Nintendo.

And that, of course, is the real criticism that I have a tough time arguing when people tell me, "okay, you say all this, yet here you are buying stuff, too".  I think that's part of why I even keep doing the channel: if I'm going to feed the machine, I'm going to make my decisions public so that someone else can make a more informed decision.  Of course, many people try to do that with "user reviews", but those are also... often... well, quite terrible and unreliable in gaming.  That's somewhat proven in this thread why user reviews are so useless: there's often a mob mentality with it which is why you see so many 10s or 0s because people are just out to attack or defend and lack the core logic to provide proper explanation or critique.  Instead, it becomes personal, and when it's personal, it becomes emotional, and when it's emotional, it becomes extremes lol



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There is no mob here. You made that nonsense up. Your non-arguments are just that terrible. And your responses in this thread have been infinitely worse.



ZyroXZ2 said:
Doctor_MG said:

Edit: I actually had a pretty good reply typed out. I only paid attention to your response to me, bolded what I was arguing and sent it. After I submitted the comment I read what you wrote at the bottom that was separate from the responses and noticed that you A) lumped me in with everyone else even though I'm not paying attention to what you guys are arguing about and B) suggested I was basically just a stupid fanboy.

I don't appreciate that at all. I'm going to take your advice and ignore you. Good day. 

If you lumped yourself in with that, that's on you.  I would have figured it was pretty obvious who the bad actors were, so even though I've got nothing against you (and was pretty clear in replies to you that I was having normal discourse with you) or really anyone else that doesn't do obvious personal attacks or straight up denigrates me, know that if you decide to reply, I'll still discuss it with you.

curl-6 said:

We don't need to convince each other, it's okay to have different experiences and opinions of a given system or company, and I actually find it enjoyable to talk about, so thanks for the discussion.

ZyroXZ2 said:

I'm actually rather glad we got some people all piled up in here. It's far easier to address a larger number of people than one-by-one... Then again, as the saying from MiB goes, "a person is smart, people are stupid". Or in other words, mob mentality is hard to curb.  But to those people, and you know who you are...

I'll drop a nice little nugget of knowledge: if you want people like me to drop off the face of the Earth, the real trick is to NOT get all riled up and just ignore/block me. You want to know why the actual toxic videos (because anyone with more than 10 IQ knows my video wasn't actually toxic aside from its two jabs at fanboys) do so well? Because it angers the mob mentality. You want to know why people purposely use REAL clickbait headlines (because my headline ain't no clickbait, either, it just offends Nintendo fanboys because it contains the words "Nintendo" and hyperbole with "greatest enemy"), misinformation, and general negativity to anger the masses? Because it WORKS. And it's not because of them, it's because of you all thinking you're winning and "right". This, this thread is why negativity thrives: toxic people beget toxic people. "Let's all gang up on this guy, yeaaaa, he's so stupid!" and all you've done is create the very conundrum many of you accuse me of. Of course, that's because you're LOOKING for it, and there's the real problem. It's not me, it's you. The good news is that I don't plan to take advantage of it, and never will. You THINK I do, but seriously, you're just weaving webs of meaning where there isn't any.

You want the real win? Do what you normally do: don't watch my stuff, block me, pay no attention to it. Otherwise, this behavior, it's what MAKES gaming journalism what it is today. It's what MAKES content creators seeking fame and fortune try extra hard to clickbait you into getting mad, to inject one-sided or highly opinionated statements into their articles/content specifically aimed to rile you up. Don't fall for it, because I know you do if you're in here in this thread fighting an invisible fight. You're the very thing it feeds off of. And while I made light of this mindsight with the "answer to Zelda" stuff, my actual expectations around here are the usual maybe 10 views I get. I mostly come here for the handful of good people here who aren't looking around for stuff to be mad about and just want some stuff to watch or talk about (I've proven I'm happy to have discourse with someone who isn't coming at my like their feelings are hurt). For the record, though, this thread has only resulted in about 50 views of the video, which is abnormally high and as I said, even a shock to me lol

Let's hope there is no next time because you're all going to wise up in unison. Mob mentality can be curbed, right? RIGHT?

OH SHIT, I have Steam Deck vs Switch videos coming... WELP

I notice you stopped quoting me here, but to echo my statement above, I don't see a need for this to be adversarial.

I don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean I hold anything against you or want you to go away or shut up. Heck, this thread is one of the most interesting ones the forum has seen in recent weeks to be honest, its been a while since we had some good old fashioned debate going on.

I may be a Nintendo fan, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with people criticizing them. I may post a rebuttal, but that's not a demand that you see things my way. 

You're fine, I clearly said earlier in this thread I recognize you're not emotionally thrashing your replies.  It's funny because I have a video that's been planned for a month or so that will come months from now, but I discuss the core of "gamer" social aptitude, or often the lack thereof.  There's a reason most of the general public continues to perceive "gamers" a certain way, and while I clearly know it's not everyone that fits the stereotype, there's a core issue with how "gamers" handle socializing over videogames that is widerspread than most other communities.

I've been on a LOT of forums over the years: cars, tech, etc. and even though every forum has the usual nutjobs, gaming somehow has them in far higher relative numbers.  Have I had disputes over cars?  Yup.  Have I had disputes over sports or tech?  Absolutely.  But when it happens in gaming, there's some serious loss of objectivity that it's just videogames at the end of the day, and instead there's this lack of ability to handle social adversity.  Instead, "gamers" almost always use some form of extreme prejudice against a person, whether it's their console of choice, their criticisms, and relate it to who they are as a person.  I've watched dudes argue over sports, and it never looks like dudes arguing over videogames.  In fact, two dudes arguing over sports highly likely have more respect for each other than two dudes arguing over videogames.

For the record, I recall you and I have had disagreements before, but I think you're also an example of where I don't make it personal unless someone else does.  We can disagree all day, and I've still got no beef with you.  But if it gets personal, then I just jump right into the mud with them lol

JWeinCom said:

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I'm presuming you have chosen to lump yourself in with the other guy above and ignore me?  I can't tell, these quote trees got so massive...  Whatever it is, if you can't determine who the obvious ones are and who aren't, I'm not about to sit here and type out usernames

Kakadu18 said:

@ZyroXZ2 So if a larger number of people disagree with you and voice that disagreement they're all just a mob of fanboys and therefore all arguments are invalid. Makes total sense.

Chyeaaa, there's that reach to create meaning where there isn't any.  But just in case it wasn't clear to you: agreement and disagreement are not based on numbers or right/wrong for sane minded people.  The statement about the mob is that many people use or need numbers to feel safe in their thoughts, and that makes it VERY hard for that person to ever see otherwise.  It's called "mob mentality" because it represents an inability for a large number of people to think independently.  Now if you're out here thinking everyone disagrees with me, that's clearly not the case...

psychicscubadiver said:

Oh, I haven't watched your video. It's clickbait and doesn't deserve the engagement.

I have been following this thread and it's amusing to see you spin and deflect without addressing actual criticisms. Like the 'we outnumber him so we're winning' which is a incredible strawman of my joke about how you're interacting with criticism. Only an idiot thinks you can 'win' a forum argument.

And implying 'all you guys are just disagreeing because you're fanboys' is silly. I'd say the same if you made these claims about any console maker. 

But do I agree with you on one thing. It is probably best to ignore you since you're either being deliberately obtuse to get hate-views or just that bone-headed.

Yes, I know you didn't watch it, it was kind of obvious.  You're part of the mob, in case anyone wanted me to point someone out lmfao...  Because if you thought for yourself, you'd have something actually useful to disagree with and present some information on the contrary, but instead you just have to ride off what you perceive as things "everyone else" is thinking and go with it.  You have nothing to say on your own because you don't actually know what was said, but here you are riding along with the mob.

I mean, sheesh, talk about bone-headed... lol

curl-6 said:

Also, anyone who is familiar with the Nintendo fanbase know that nobody criticizes Nintendo more than their ardent fans.
Look at the response to games like Metroid Prime Federation Force or Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, where petitions to have them canceled amassed tens of thousands of signatures.
The notion that the fanbase will defend anything they do to the death is quite unrealistic.

It's not a matter of fans disagreeing on principal, it's simply that Nintendo's success does indeed tangibly benefit us in more ways than it harms us.

To some extent, there is the presence of Nintendo fans who expect better.  But they clearly aren't in healthy enough numbers to make any real difference, hence the "Nintendo will do whatever they want anyway" thing.  That's because Nintendo follows the numbers, and so they work in ways that are impersonal because they're so big that they can.  That's also kind of the underlying point, here: there ISN'T enough criticism because the money keeps flowing from people who love everything Nintendo.

And that, of course, is the real criticism that I have a tough time arguing when people tell me, "okay, you say all this, yet here you are buying stuff, too".  I think that's part of why I even keep doing the channel: if I'm going to feed the machine, I'm going to make my decisions public so that someone else can make a more informed decision.  Of course, many people try to do that with "user reviews", but those are also... often... well, quite terrible and unreliable in gaming.  That's somewhat proven in this thread why user reviews are so useless: there's often a mob mentality with it which is why you see so many 10s or 0s because people are just out to attack or defend and lack the core logic to provide proper explanation or critique.  Instead, it becomes personal, and when it's personal, it becomes emotional, and when it's emotional, it becomes extremes lol

Had something typed out, but decided I didn't want to get involved any further, so I deleted it and it won't let you leave it empty, hence c.



ZyroXZ2 said:
curl-6 said:

We don't need to convince each other, it's okay to have different experiences and opinions of a given system or company, and I actually find it enjoyable to talk about, so thanks for the discussion.

ZyroXZ2 said:

I'm actually rather glad we got some people all piled up in here. It's far easier to address a larger number of people than one-by-one... Then again, as the saying from MiB goes, "a person is smart, people are stupid". Or in other words, mob mentality is hard to curb.  But to those people, and you know who you are...

I'll drop a nice little nugget of knowledge: if you want people like me to drop off the face of the Earth, the real trick is to NOT get all riled up and just ignore/block me. You want to know why the actual toxic videos (because anyone with more than 10 IQ knows my video wasn't actually toxic aside from its two jabs at fanboys) do so well? Because it angers the mob mentality. You want to know why people purposely use REAL clickbait headlines (because my headline ain't no clickbait, either, it just offends Nintendo fanboys because it contains the words "Nintendo" and hyperbole with "greatest enemy"), misinformation, and general negativity to anger the masses? Because it WORKS. And it's not because of them, it's because of you all thinking you're winning and "right". This, this thread is why negativity thrives: toxic people beget toxic people. "Let's all gang up on this guy, yeaaaa, he's so stupid!" and all you've done is create the very conundrum many of you accuse me of. Of course, that's because you're LOOKING for it, and there's the real problem. It's not me, it's you. The good news is that I don't plan to take advantage of it, and never will. You THINK I do, but seriously, you're just weaving webs of meaning where there isn't any.

You want the real win? Do what you normally do: don't watch my stuff, block me, pay no attention to it. Otherwise, this behavior, it's what MAKES gaming journalism what it is today. It's what MAKES content creators seeking fame and fortune try extra hard to clickbait you into getting mad, to inject one-sided or highly opinionated statements into their articles/content specifically aimed to rile you up. Don't fall for it, because I know you do if you're in here in this thread fighting an invisible fight. You're the very thing it feeds off of. And while I made light of this mindsight with the "answer to Zelda" stuff, my actual expectations around here are the usual maybe 10 views I get. I mostly come here for the handful of good people here who aren't looking around for stuff to be mad about and just want some stuff to watch or talk about (I've proven I'm happy to have discourse with someone who isn't coming at my like their feelings are hurt). For the record, though, this thread has only resulted in about 50 views of the video, which is abnormally high and as I said, even a shock to me lol

Let's hope there is no next time because you're all going to wise up in unison. Mob mentality can be curbed, right? RIGHT?

OH SHIT, I have Steam Deck vs Switch videos coming... WELP

I notice you stopped quoting me here, but to echo my statement above, I don't see a need for this to be adversarial.

I don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean I hold anything against you or want you to go away or shut up. Heck, this thread is one of the most interesting ones the forum has seen in recent weeks to be honest, its been a while since we had some good old fashioned debate going on.

I may be a Nintendo fan, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with people criticizing them. I may post a rebuttal, but that's not a demand that you see things my way. 

You're fine, I clearly said earlier in this thread I recognize you're not emotionally thrashing your replies.  It's funny because I have a video that's been planned for a month or so that will come months from now, but I discuss the core of "gamer" social aptitude, or often the lack thereof.  There's a reason most of the general public continues to perceive "gamers" a certain way, and while I clearly know it's not everyone that fits the stereotype, there's a core issue with how "gamers" handle socializing over videogames that is widerspread than most other communities.

I've been on a LOT of forums over the years: cars, tech, etc. and even though every forum has the usual nutjobs, gaming somehow has them in far higher relative numbers.  Have I had disputes over cars?  Yup.  Have I had disputes over sports or tech?  Absolutely.  But when it happens in gaming, there's some serious loss of objectivity that it's just videogames at the end of the day, and instead there's this lack of ability to handle social adversity.  Instead, "gamers" almost always use some form of extreme prejudice against a person, whether it's their console of choice, their criticisms, and relate it to who they are as a person.  I've watched dudes argue over sports, and it never looks like dudes arguing over videogames.  In fact, two dudes arguing over sports highly likely have more respect for each other than two dudes arguing over videogames.

For the record, I recall you and I have had disagreements before, but I think you're also an example of where I don't make it personal unless someone else does.  We can disagree all day, and I've still got no beef with you.  But if it gets personal, then I just jump right into the mud with them lol

curl-6 said:

Also, anyone who is familiar with the Nintendo fanbase know that nobody criticizes Nintendo more than their ardent fans.
Look at the response to games like Metroid Prime Federation Force or Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, where petitions to have them canceled amassed tens of thousands of signatures.
The notion that the fanbase will defend anything they do to the death is quite unrealistic.

It's not a matter of fans disagreeing on principal, it's simply that Nintendo's success does indeed tangibly benefit us in more ways than it harms us.

To some extent, there is the presence of Nintendo fans who expect better.  But they clearly aren't in healthy enough numbers to make any real difference, hence the "Nintendo will do whatever they want anyway" thing.  That's because Nintendo follows the numbers, and so they work in ways that are impersonal because they're so big that they can.  That's also kind of the underlying point, here: there ISN'T enough criticism because the money keeps flowing from people who love everything Nintendo.

And that, of course, is the real criticism that I have a tough time arguing when people tell me, "okay, you say all this, yet here you are buying stuff, too".  I think that's part of why I even keep doing the channel: if I'm going to feed the machine, I'm going to make my decisions public so that someone else can make a more informed decision.  Of course, many people try to do that with "user reviews", but those are also... often... well, quite terrible and unreliable in gaming.  That's somewhat proven in this thread why user reviews are so useless: there's often a mob mentality with it which is why you see so many 10s or 0s because people are just out to attack or defend and lack the core logic to provide proper explanation or critique.  Instead, it becomes personal, and when it's personal, it becomes emotional, and when it's emotional, it becomes extremes lol

When Nintendo fucks up, people generally pass on their systems to a sufficient degree that they have to change course; see the Wii U, Virtual Boy, or Gamecube for example. So it's not like they can do whatever they want, the market will clearly punish them if they don't offer a good enough proposition.

As with any company, there are some times when stuff I don't like still succeeds, but all I can do is vote with my wallet. I didn't buy games like 1-2 Switch or ARMS or the Mario sports games for example because I didn't like what they were offering.

After the long dry years of the Wii U though, where the lack of sales meant terrible droughts and a severe lack of third party software, I personally find owning a highly successful Nintendo system again to be a big relief. I haven't finished Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak yet or even started FIST Forged In Shadow Torch, and the next few months are about to bombard me with Xenoblade 3, Splatoon 3, Nier Automata, and Bayonetta 3. I haven't been this happy as gamer since... far out, 2010 I think.

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Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023. (And over 130 million lifetime)