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S.Peelman said:

Such Skyward Sword hate in here.

I agree that it wasn’t the best 3D Zelda entry, but it was good for what it was, and it had great dungeons. It’s not even my least favorite 3D Zelda. I agree it can’t come close to Breath of the Wild though.

However, the low sales performance does make me worry a bit. Because Link’s Awakening, a game also held in much higher esteem than Skyward Sword, especially as a remake, also didn’t light up the sales charts or had endless legs like Breath of the Wild has. And to top it off Age of Calamity performed much better than the original Hyrule Warriors’s Switch version (while that one was much better if you asked me). So the other Zelda games merely performed like the series did before Breath of the Wild did even though they released after.

I’m afraid Breath of the Wild in actuality didn’t make many new “Zelda fans”, it only made “Breath of the Wild fans”. Meaning the yet unnamed sequel will get good sales because it’s tied to its predecessor, but a potential Zelda after that on a new system with a new Link and Zelda and a new story and setting and a different look will crash back down to the 5-8M sales the games had in the past.

If it's in the same style as Breath of the Wild, there's no way that's going to happen.

Even if it's not called Breath of the Wild, people will know exactly what type of game they're looking at. Just because a new Call of Duty isn't called Modern Warfare or Black Ops, that doesn't stop every new game from selling a shit ton of copies. Same goes for Grand Theft Auto, Elder Scrolls, Mario Kart, and Pokemon. Just because the setting, story, and characters change (kinda), the foundation and "feel" is still very much the same, and as long as that remains, those fans will keep coming back.

Also, I don't see the point about Zelda games performing at the same standard or not being elevated because instead of "Zelda fans" you have "Breath of the Wild fans."

Link's Awakening outsold the original version almost instantly. It was at 5.49 million at the end of last Fiscal Year. So it's probably right around 6 million by now, which would mean it has nearly outsold the combined total of the original Game Boy version + the DX version on the Game Boy Color, and it's getting close to the original Legend of Zelda on the NES as the best selling 2D game in the franchise.

As for Skyward Sword, the haters can moan and hate all they want. They're entitled to their opinion (It's wrong, but they're entitled to it.) Doesn't change the fact that the remaster outsold the original version in less than a year. So even if it has shit legs from here on out, it still passed its previous mark and will likely overtake other Zelda games before it's finished. Perhaps even the original version of Wind Waker. And that in itself, is raising the bar for the franchise. 



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I never played the wii U or the switch (with the exception of about 15 minutes) I have been an xbox/pc gamer pretty much most of my life. I want to share my thoughts on the Legend of Zelda series as an outsider (someone who owns zero Nintendo consoles)

The Legend of Zelda - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Adventures of Link - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: A link to the past - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time -Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - Wii - Played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Ages - DS - played and beat both
The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords - GCN - played and beat with friends
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Wii - played and beat

I have never played breath of the wind, skyward sword, links awakening remake, and only played a little bit of a link between two worlds. Even though I dont own any Nintendo systems, i have played a lot of Zelda games in the past with my first zelda game being a link to the past. My top 5 favorite Zelda games being...

1. Twilight Princess
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Links Awakening
4. A link to the past
5. Minish Cap

Even though I have beaten most of the series, most of the games I would never replay as a lot of the entries feel the same. I have heard great things about breath of the wild and someday I hope to play it. But honestly... I am burnt out of the Zelda formula, most of the 2D Zelda games offer little to nothing new and if you are a long time Zelda fan you probably feel the same way. Some of the Zelda games I listed above that I beat i had to push myself through (oracle of seasons and ages) so when Skyward Sword launched, A link between two worlds launched, I honestly had no interest in playing them because it just looks a lot like what I have already played before. BOTW is the first Zelda game that when you look at it, looks unlike previous entries and seems to bring the series into the worlds of Skyrim, Witcher, Elden Ring, etc. And is the place where adventure, action, rpg, games have been for a while now. The older formula has already been done so many times before that if someone really wants to play one of those Zelda games theres honestly over a dozen they could just download and start playing. Whereas BOTW is something totally unlike previous Zelda games and if you are or were like me, Skyward Sword HD is not going spark a sudden interest to come back to the series, whereas BOTW will.

This might be one of the reasons BOTW is doing so well, the older Zelda formula was never super popular. It wasn't until BOTW that all that changed, and that was because Nintendo changed the formula. I think a lot of Nintendo fans are just tired of the old Zelda formula and it's reflecting in the sales.



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BOTW does well because its appeal is not limited like prior games, the problem in older games was that they were centred around dungeons and this dictated their appeal as the games were built around them. BOTW however put the focus on Hyrule as a whole turning it into the focal point that the game is built around this meant new kinds of mechanisms for gameplay and progression could be explored. 

The result is the appeal widen massively as factors that stopped many people enjoying the prior games have been addressed this is why older games aren't selling like BOTW it's not that they're only BOTW fans it's that the older games do not have what has drawn in new fans. We've seen this with other big franchises like GTA for example, CTW which was like a modern version of the older games did not sell anywhere near the games that are like GTA3.

It will be the same with future Zelda games the ones building on BOTW'S approach will sell very well. For reference look at videos for BOTW online and look at videos of older games you're going to notice a world of difference in the type of videos you find. 



S.Peelman said:

Such Skyward Sword hate in here.

I agree that it wasn’t the best 3D Zelda entry, but it was good for what it was, and it had great dungeons. It’s not even my least favorite 3D Zelda. I agree it can’t come close to Breath of the Wild though.

However, the low sales performance does make me worry a bit. Because Link’s Awakening, a game also held in much higher esteem than Skyward Sword, especially as a remake, also didn’t light up the sales charts or had endless legs like Breath of the Wild has. And to top it off Age of Calamity performed much better than the original Hyrule Warriors’s Switch version (while that one was much better if you asked me). So the other Zelda games merely performed like the series did before Breath of the Wild did even though they released after.

I’m afraid Breath of the Wild in actuality didn’t make many new “Zelda fans”, it only made “Breath of the Wild fans”. Meaning the yet unnamed sequel will get good sales because it’s tied to its predecessor, but a potential Zelda after that on a new system with a new Link and Zelda and a new story and setting and a different look will crash back down to the 5-8M sales the games had in the past.

I don't think that's the case. I do think that some people will not become 'Zelda' fans, but a significant portion will. The sales of Links Awakening were on par with the original release which shows that demand for Zelda is high. Skyward Sword has a lot going against it. It is the Zelda that differs the most in the amount of freedom. It was never that well received in the mainstream, was not improved a lot and had almost no marketing, at least where I live. Still it already outsold the original by a bit.

Even the game after the BOTW successor will be heavily influenced by BOTW so BOTW fans will find something to love in all coming games. 10 Million LT for new mainline Zelda games are a given at that point imo which is more than all games before BOTW sold.



S.Peelman said:

Such Skyward Sword hate in here.

I agree that it wasn’t the best 3D Zelda entry, but it was good for what it was, and it had great dungeons. It’s not even my least favorite 3D Zelda. I agree it can’t come close to Breath of the Wild though.

However, the low sales performance does make me worry a bit. Because Link’s Awakening, a game also held in much higher esteem than Skyward Sword, especially as a remake, also didn’t light up the sales charts or had endless legs like Breath of the Wild has. And to top it off Age of Calamity performed much better than the original Hyrule Warriors’s Switch version (while that one was much better if you asked me). So the other Zelda games merely performed like the series did before Breath of the Wild did even though they released after.

I’m afraid Breath of the Wild in actuality didn’t make many new “Zelda fans”, it only made “Breath of the Wild fans”. Meaning the yet unnamed sequel will get good sales because it’s tied to its predecessor, but a potential Zelda after that on a new system with a new Link and Zelda and a new story and setting and a different look will crash back down to the 5-8M sales the games had in the past.

Link's Awakening should be rather close to becoming the best selling 2D Zelda game and outsold the original by alot. That's at least some growth for 2D Zelda.

Last edited by Kakadu18 - on 12 May 2022

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Ashadelo said:

I never played the wii U or the switch (with the exception of about 15 minutes) I have been an xbox/pc gamer pretty much most of my life. I want to share my thoughts on the Legend of Zelda series as an outsider (someone who owns zero Nintendo consoles)

The Legend of Zelda - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Adventures of Link - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: A link to the past - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time -Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - Wii - Played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Ages - DS - played and beat both
The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords - GCN - played and beat with friends
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Wii - played and beat

I have never played breath of the wind, skyward sword, links awakening remake, and only played a little bit of a link between two worlds. Even though I dont own any Nintendo systems, i have played a lot of Zelda games in the past with my first zelda game being a link to the past. My top 5 favorite Zelda games being...

1. Twilight Princess
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Links Awakening
4. A link to the past
5. Minish Cap

Even though I have beaten most of the series, most of the games I would never replay as a lot of the entries feel the same. I have heard great things about breath of the wild and someday I hope to play it. But honestly... I am burnt out of the Zelda formula, most of the 2D Zelda games offer little to nothing new and if you are a long time Zelda fan you probably feel the same way. Some of the Zelda games I listed above that I beat i had to push myself through (oracle of seasons and ages) so when Skyward Sword launched, A link between two worlds launched, I honestly had no interest in playing them because it just looks a lot like what I have already played before. BOTW is the first Zelda game that when you look at it, looks unlike previous entries and seems to bring the series into the worlds of Skyrim, Witcher, Elden Ring, etc. And is the place where adventure, action, rpg, games have been for a while now. The older formula has already been done so many times before that if someone really wants to play one of those Zelda games theres honestly over a dozen they could just download and start playing. Whereas BOTW is something totally unlike previous Zelda games and if you are or were like me, Skyward Sword HD is not going spark a sudden interest to come back to the series, whereas BOTW will.

This might be one of the reasons BOTW is doing so well, the older Zelda formula was never super popular. It wasn't until BOTW that all that changed, and that was because Nintendo changed the formula. I think a lot of Nintendo fans are just tired of the old Zelda formula and it's reflecting in the sales.

Bold: I don't.

How are Link's Awakening and the Oracle games playable on the DS?



Kakadu18 said:
Ashadelo said:

I never played the wii U or the switch (with the exception of about 15 minutes) I have been an xbox/pc gamer pretty much most of my life. I want to share my thoughts on the Legend of Zelda series as an outsider (someone who owns zero Nintendo consoles)

The Legend of Zelda - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Adventures of Link - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: A link to the past - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time -Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - Wii - Played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Ages - DS - played and beat both
The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks - DS - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - Wii - played and beat
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords - GCN - played and beat with friends
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Wii - played and beat

I have never played breath of the wind, skyward sword, links awakening remake, and only played a little bit of a link between two worlds. Even though I dont own any Nintendo systems, i have played a lot of Zelda games in the past with my first zelda game being a link to the past. My top 5 favorite Zelda games being...

1. Twilight Princess
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Links Awakening
4. A link to the past
5. Minish Cap

Even though I have beaten most of the series, most of the games I would never replay as a lot of the entries feel the same. I have heard great things about breath of the wild and someday I hope to play it. But honestly... I am burnt out of the Zelda formula, most of the 2D Zelda games offer little to nothing new and if you are a long time Zelda fan you probably feel the same way. Some of the Zelda games I listed above that I beat i had to push myself through (oracle of seasons and ages) so when Skyward Sword launched, A link between two worlds launched, I honestly had no interest in playing them because it just looks a lot like what I have already played before. BOTW is the first Zelda game that when you look at it, looks unlike previous entries and seems to bring the series into the worlds of Skyrim, Witcher, Elden Ring, etc. And is the place where adventure, action, rpg, games have been for a while now. The older formula has already been done so many times before that if someone really wants to play one of those Zelda games theres honestly over a dozen they could just download and start playing. Whereas BOTW is something totally unlike previous Zelda games and if you are or were like me, Skyward Sword HD is not going spark a sudden interest to come back to the series, whereas BOTW will.

This might be one of the reasons BOTW is doing so well, the older Zelda formula was never super popular. It wasn't until BOTW that all that changed, and that was because Nintendo changed the formula. I think a lot of Nintendo fans are just tired of the old Zelda formula and it's reflecting in the sales.

Bold: I don't.

How are Link's Awakening and the Oracle games playable on the DS?

Maybe it was the GBASP? i don't remember, it was a long time ago. I just remember ages reminding me a lot of OOT



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Ashadelo said:
Kakadu18 said:

Bold: I don't.

How are Link's Awakening and the Oracle games playable on the DS?

Maybe it was the GBASP? i don't remember, it was a long time ago. I just remember ages reminding me a lot of OOT

It must have been the GBA through backwards compatability.



I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Wait for about a decade until after the main Zelda after the BotW sequel has released and settled but whatever.
I agree that it will all depend on what kind of trajectory Nintendo takes the series in the future. If newer games are all offsprings of BotW like how MM to SS were Ocarina of Time-style games, or if they'll revert more towards the older gameplay style. I'm just saying, I'm not hammering down 15+ or 20+ million sales for every new entry in the series just yet.



S.Peelman said:

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Wait for about a decade until after the main Zelda after the BotW sequel has released and settled but whatever.
I agree that it will all depend on what kind of trajectory Nintendo takes the series in the future. If newer games are all offsprings of BotW like how MM to SS were Ocarina of Time-style games, or if they'll revert more towards the older gameplay style. I'm just saying, I'm not hammering down 15+ or 20+ million sales for every new entry in the series just yet.

And you shouldn't, because Nintendo has shown enough times that they don't make games based on rational business sense.

Not even Breath of the Wild 2 is a safe bet for 15m+ yet. We still have to see its overworld, because up till now the trailers have focused on floating islands in the sky. There shouldn't be any doubt that the overworld and the ways it can be interacted with is the key to Breath of the Wild's huge success, so if for whatever reason Nintendo decides to limit that aspect, BotW2's sales have a good chance to be disappointing, to the point that the original game will keep selling at a higher rate than the new game despite being six years older.



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