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curl-6 on 14 April 2022
smroadkill15 said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah I don't doubt we will see some exclusives like Starfield, but stuff like COD, Elder Scrolls, most currently multiplat franchises I expect to stay that way as you'd be missing out on millions and millions of potential sales by skipping PS.

Bethesda games will be exclusive like Starfield, ES, Redfall, Fallout, new IP's, etc. Except for legacy releases like they did for Quake Remaster. From ABK, CoD will stay multiplat, but Xbox will benefit greatly from day 1 Game Pass releases and marketing. A WoW release on console will likely be multiplatform since it's a legacy title. My take, vast majority of Bethesda/Zenimax releases will be exclusive while ABK will be mostly multiplatform, at least early on, with the occasional exclusive like a New Crash game or new IP. It will be interest to see if Diablo 4 or Overwatch 2 will be exclusive since those games are really far in development, my guess is multiform for both. Either way, Game Pass on day 1 and marketing for all of these is huge benefit. 

I highly doubt they'll keep the next Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, etc off Playstation. They'd just be leaving too much money on the table. We're in an age where MS has put games like Cuphead and Ori on Switch and Sony has put MLB The Show on both Xbox and Switch. Exclusivity is becoming less and less prevalent.

PS5 is likely to finish with a userbase of over 100 million consoles, MS isn't going to keep a game like Elder Scrolls 6 off a userbase that lucrative. Sure, it will likely be day 1 on Gamepass or even a timed exclusive at most, but it will come to Playstation.

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LudicrousSpeed on 14 April 2022
Chicho said:

It says mexican gamers prefer sports and shooting games so is not a surprise that Xbox would be competitive there. 

Fun fact: PlayStation users also prefer shooting games and sports titles.



dane007 on 14 April 2022

Well xbox gamepass users was more than 25 million few months back. By the end of the generation it wiol probably reach close to 100 million subscribers. Thats alot of money per month. Plus you have steam, epic store, physical copies on both xbox and pc. So ms doesn't need to put those games on ps. They have made it clear that there wont be any es6 on ps.unless sony adopts gamepass. 

Remember Phil wants gamepass on tv via web. That would probably achieve by end of generation plus xcloud on mobile phones for nearly the whole world. The amount of posisble subscribers from that alone is huge. 

curl-6 said:

smroadkill15 said:

Bethesda games will be exclusive like Starfield, ES, Redfall, Fallout, new IP's, etc. Except for legacy releases like they did for Quake Remaster. From ABK, CoD will stay multiplat, but Xbox will benefit greatly from day 1 Game Pass releases and marketing. A WoW release on console will likely be multiplatform since it's a legacy title. My take, vast majority of Bethesda/Zenimax releases will be exclusive while ABK will be mostly multiplatform, at least early on, with the occasional exclusive like a New Crash game or new IP. It will be interest to see if Diablo 4 or Overwatch 2 will be exclusive since those games are really far in development, my guess is multiform for both. Either way, Game Pass on day 1 and marketing for all of these is huge benefit. 

I highly doubt they'll keep the next Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, etc off Playstation. They'd just be leaving too much money on the table. We're in an age where MS has put games like Cuphead and Ori on Switch and Sony has put MLB The Show on both Xbox and Switch. Exclusivity is becoming less and less prevalent.

PS5 is likely to finish with a userbase of over 100 million consoles, MS isn't going to keep a game like Elder Scrolls 6 off a userbase that lucrative. Sure, it will likely be day 1 on Gamepass or even a timed exclusive at most, but it will come to Playstation.

curl-6 said:
smroadkill15 said:

Bethesda games will be exclusive like Starfield, ES, Redfall, Fallout, new IP's, etc. Except for legacy releases like they did for Quake Remaster. From ABK, CoD will stay multiplat, but Xbox will benefit greatly from day 1 Game Pass releases and marketing. A WoW release on console will likely be multiplatform since it's a legacy title. My take, vast majority of Bethesda/Zenimax releases will be exclusive while ABK will be mostly multiplatform, at least early on, with the occasional exclusive like a New Crash game or new IP. It will be interest to see if Diablo 4 or Overwatch 2 will be exclusive since those games are really far in development, my guess is multiform for both. Either way, Game Pass on day 1 and marketing for all of these is huge benefit. 

I highly doubt they'll keep the next Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, etc off Playstation. They'd just be leaving too much money on the table. We're in an age where MS has put games like Cuphead and Ori on Switch and Sony has put MLB The Show on both Xbox and Switch. Exclusivity is becoming less and less prevalent.

PS5 is likely to finish with a userbase of over 100 million consoles, MS isn't going to keep a game like Elder Scrolls 6 off a userbase that lucrative. Sure, it will likely be day 1 on Gamepass or even a timed exclusive at most, but it will come to Playstation.



smroadkill15 on 14 April 2022
curl-6 said:
smroadkill15 said:

Bethesda games will be exclusive like Starfield, ES, Redfall, Fallout, new IP's, etc. Except for legacy releases like they did for Quake Remaster. From ABK, CoD will stay multiplat, but Xbox will benefit greatly from day 1 Game Pass releases and marketing. A WoW release on console will likely be multiplatform since it's a legacy title. My take, vast majority of Bethesda/Zenimax releases will be exclusive while ABK will be mostly multiplatform, at least early on, with the occasional exclusive like a New Crash game or new IP. It will be interest to see if Diablo 4 or Overwatch 2 will be exclusive since those games are really far in development, my guess is multiform for both. Either way, Game Pass on day 1 and marketing for all of these is huge benefit. 

I highly doubt they'll keep the next Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, etc off Playstation. They'd just be leaving too much money on the table. We're in an age where MS has put games like Cuphead and Ori on Switch and Sony has put MLB The Show on both Xbox and Switch. Exclusivity is becoming less and less prevalent.

PS5 is likely to finish with a userbase of over 100 million consoles, MS isn't going to keep a game like Elder Scrolls 6 off a userbase that lucrative. Sure, it will likely be day 1 on Gamepass or even a timed exclusive at most, but it will come to Playstation.

Unless it's a legacy title (Minecraft, Fallout 76, Quake remaster) or with prior obligations (Deathloop, Wasteland 3), I wouldn't get your hopes up. Phil has already implied ES6 will be exclusive. MS isn't worried about leaving money on the table. Cuphead and Ori are not from first party studios, so Xbox was okay with it because it helps those studios. MLB The Show was not Sony's choice to go multiplatform. If Xbox want to really be attractive they know they need exclusives, and big ones that that. Unless MS comes out and blatantly says a game is going to stay multiplatform like CoD, don't expect it to be for any new games.   



Elputoxd on 14 April 2022

The annual COD titles will be exclusive while the franchise at large - and Warzone - will remain on PlayStation. Same as with Bethesda. Keep all the GAAS titles on PS for recurring revenue and make everything else exclusive. Microsoft has already said COD will still be made available on PS even when the marketing agreements with annual COD and for Warzone end. Evidently those include having the games available on PS.



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Mandalore76 on 14 April 2022
curl-6 said:
smroadkill15 said:

Bethesda games will be exclusive like Starfield, ES, Redfall, Fallout, new IP's, etc. Except for legacy releases like they did for Quake Remaster. From ABK, CoD will stay multiplat, but Xbox will benefit greatly from day 1 Game Pass releases and marketing. A WoW release on console will likely be multiplatform since it's a legacy title. My take, vast majority of Bethesda/Zenimax releases will be exclusive while ABK will be mostly multiplatform, at least early on, with the occasional exclusive like a New Crash game or new IP. It will be interest to see if Diablo 4 or Overwatch 2 will be exclusive since those games are really far in development, my guess is multiform for both. Either way, Game Pass on day 1 and marketing for all of these is huge benefit. 

I highly doubt they'll keep the next Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, etc off Playstation. They'd just be leaving too much money on the table. We're in an age where MS has put games like Cuphead and Ori on Switch and Sony has put MLB The Show on both Xbox and Switch. Exclusivity is becoming less and less prevalent.

PS5 is likely to finish with a userbase of over 100 million consoles, MS isn't going to keep a game like Elder Scrolls 6 off a userbase that lucrative. Sure, it will likely be day 1 on Gamepass or even a timed exclusive at most, but it will come to Playstation.

Sony had to put MLB The Show on both XBox and Switch because the MLB insisted they be represented on all platforms.  The MLB realized it was a bad look to have their flagship video game be available to only 1 console fanbase.  FIFA, Madden NFL, NHL, etc all have representation on more than one console.  So, it's not like Sony decided to it in the interests of making additional sales outside of their own ecosystem.  This was something that was foisted on them by the licensor.  The MLB licensing deal had come up for renegotiation, and if Sony hadn't agreed to MLB's demand, Sony wouldn't have gotten their contract extended.

So, it's not the same case as whatever Microsoft is going to do with the Bethesda games in the future.  Because, Microsoft isn't licensing rights from Bethesda.  They outright own them now.  As far as I know, there is nothing in the purchasing contract that prohibits Microsoft from making those games exclusive.  Meanwhile, the Bungie acquisition by Sony outright states that Bungie's games must remain multiplatform.

I'm not saying that Microsoft won't publish Elder Scrolls and the like on PlayStation.  But, there is nothing in place to prevent them from making the games exclusive to XBox and PC either if they do choose to go that route.



jason1637 on 14 April 2022
trunkswd said:

Following the latest UK and Europe charts released by GamesIndustry I've adjusted our estimates. Although, it should be noted the Europe charts don't include UK, Germany and a few smaller markets in Europe.

New worldwide totals following adjustments:

  1. NS: 106,467,372
  2. PS5: 18,709,382
  3. XSX|S: 13,867,499

New worldwide figures for April 2, 2022:

  1. NS: 344,026
  2. XSX|S: 230,758
  3. PS5: 185,950

New Europe totals:

  1. NS: 28,101,781
  2. PS5: 6,858,040
  3. XSX|S: 4,118,351

New Europe figures for April 2, 2022:

  1. NS: 81,266
  2. XSX|S: 44,962
  3. PS5: 44,273

What the total month of March European #s for the big 3?



jason1637 on 14 April 2022
trunkswd said:
jason1637 said:

What the total month of March European #s for the big 3?

  1. NS: 369,590
  2. XSX|S: 190,250
  3. PS5: 119,343

Based on the Europe and UK report 445k of the sales were from the covered European countries and the UK so based on VGC estimates the other ~227k were from Gernany and other smaller European countries.



The_Liquid_Laser on 14 April 2022
trunkswd said:
jason1637 said:

What the total month of March European #s for the big 3?

  1. NS: 369,590
  2. XSX|S: 190,250
  3. PS5: 119,343

Wow, X|S is significantly ahead of PS5 in Europe this month.  If I was just looking at the numbers, I would have guessed these were NA totals and not EU.



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curl-6 on 14 April 2022

Eh, i still can't see Xbox going for aggressive exclusivity when the trends of recent years has seen fewer and fewer games being locked to one console, and the fact they've already said they'll keep their biggest new acquisition, COD, on the competition. Microsoft's focus has been less and less on trying to push hardware and more and more on pure profit going back years now. Elder Scrolls 6 on PS5 is just too lucrative for a company with this focus to pass up on.

trunkswd said:

Following the latest UK and Europe charts released by GamesIndustry I've adjusted our estimates. Although, it should be noted the Europe charts don't include UK, Germany and a few smaller markets in Europe.

New worldwide totals following adjustments:

  1. NS: 106,467,372
  2. PS5: 18,709,382
  3. XSX|S: 13,867,499

New worldwide figures for April 2, 2022:

  1. NS: 344,026
  2. XSX|S: 230,758
  3. PS5: 185,950

New Europe totals:

  1. NS: 28,101,781
  2. PS5: 6,858,040
  3. XSX|S: 4,118,351

New Europe figures for April 2, 2022:

  1. NS: 81,266
  2. XSX|S: 44,962
  3. PS5: 44,273

So how much was each platform adjusted up/down?