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Forums - Sales - The Road to 160m+ for Nintendo Switch (EDIT: See mod note in first post for new rule).

The_Yoda said:

The statement "sadly Nintendo never sells at a loss" is not entirely accurate.  I believe it was the 32GB model of the WiiU that initially sold at a very slight loss.  If memory also serves though 1 game purchase with the system put them back to profitable.  I cannot remember if that had to be a first party game or not.  That said, while it does set president, I find PAO's idea unlikely.  It would be smart of them in my opinion but ... I share your skepticism. 

Not to mention the extremely dire 2003 situation that forced them to sell GameCubes for $99. The losses per unit must have been so large that it cost over half of their net profits in the following quarters.

But I don't see Switches being sold at a loss unless they're piling up in inventory like it happened to the GC.



 

 

 

 

 

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haxxiy said:
The_Yoda said:

The statement "sadly Nintendo never sells at a loss" is not entirely accurate.  I believe it was the 32GB model of the WiiU that initially sold at a very slight loss.  If memory also serves though 1 game purchase with the system put them back to profitable.  I cannot remember if that had to be a first party game or not.  That said, while it does set president, I find PAO's idea unlikely.  It would be smart of them in my opinion but ... I share your skepticism. 

Not to mention the extremely dire 2003 situation that forced them to sell GameCubes for $99. The losses per unit must have been so large that it cost over half of their net profits in the following quarters.

But I don't see Switches being sold at a loss unless they're piling up in inventory like it happened to the GC.

3DS was sold at a loss when it got a price cut a few months before the holidays. Nintendo was not profiting on $169.99 for 3DS which is why it launched at $249.99.

I don't think Nintendo will eat all tariffs or be willing to sell Switch and Switch 2 at a loss.

To this day, I think Switch has never been sold at a loss once. I don't think Nintendo needs to at this point since Switch is on the way out. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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Wman1996 said:

3DS was sold at a loss when it got a price cut a few months before the holidays. Nintendo was not profiting on $169.99 for 3DS which is why it launched at $249.99.

I don't think Nintendo will eat all tariffs or be willing to sell Switch and Switch 2 at a loss.

To this day, I think Switch has never been sold at a loss once. I don't think Nintendo needs to at this point since Switch is on the way out. 

They may sell Switch 1 at a loss at the very end just to clear through all the inventory that's left after they stop production. (There's always the chance that they may produce those last few additional million units JUST to pass the PS2 and nothing more. Just to get it over with and move on to 100% Switch 2 production as fast as possible.)



PAOerfulone said:
Wman1996 said:

3DS was sold at a loss when it got a price cut a few months before the holidays. Nintendo was not profiting on $169.99 for 3DS which is why it launched at $249.99.

I don't think Nintendo will eat all tariffs or be willing to sell Switch and Switch 2 at a loss.

To this day, I think Switch has never been sold at a loss once. I don't think Nintendo needs to at this point since Switch is on the way out. 

They may sell Switch 1 at a loss at the very end just to clear through all the inventory that's left after they stop production. (There's always the chance that they may produce those last few additional million units JUST to pass the PS2 and nothing more. Just to get it over with and move on to 100% Switch 2 production as fast as possible.)

Possible. I could only see that as a valid strategy to clear stock as you said and to get people to buy games and NSO.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

PAOerfulone said:
Wman1996 said:

3DS was sold at a loss when it got a price cut a few months before the holidays. Nintendo was not profiting on $169.99 for 3DS which is why it launched at $249.99.

I don't think Nintendo will eat all tariffs or be willing to sell Switch and Switch 2 at a loss.

To this day, I think Switch has never been sold at a loss once. I don't think Nintendo needs to at this point since Switch is on the way out. 

They may sell Switch 1 at a loss at the very end just to clear through all the inventory that's left after they stop production. (There's always the chance that they may produce those last few additional million units JUST to pass the PS2 and nothing more. Just to get it over with and move on to 100% Switch 2 production as fast as possible.)

How can Nintendo do this "to pass the PS2" if Sony can always pull one more extra million units for the PS2 sales as Sony have never established a concret number for its sales? Even if Nintendo wanted to do this, it simply can't do it



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CourageTCD said:
PAOerfulone said:

They may sell Switch 1 at a loss at the very end just to clear through all the inventory that's left after they stop production. (There's always the chance that they may produce those last few additional million units JUST to pass the PS2 and nothing more. Just to get it over with and move on to 100% Switch 2 production as fast as possible.)

How can Nintendo do this "to pass the PS2" if Sony can always pull one more extra million units for the PS2 sales as Sony have never established a concret number for its sales? Even if Nintendo wanted to do this, it simply can't do it

Exactly, if Nintendo sold 161 sony would just say they sold 162. If nintendo sold 163 sony would just say they sold 164. Its set up to pass the switch no matter what.



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angrypoolman said:
CourageTCD said:

How can Nintendo do this "to pass the PS2" if Sony can always pull one more extra million units for the PS2 sales as Sony have never established a concret number for its sales? Even if Nintendo wanted to do this, it simply can't do it

Exactly, if Nintendo sold 161 sony would just say they sold 162. If nintendo sold 163 sony would just say they sold 164. Its set up to pass the switch no matter what.

Now I understand why you need Rol back to make a prediction because when you're left to make one of your own we get these silly type of posts from you. Sony is unable to do that. Shawn Layden already said the final production number of 160,636,885 is legit. Sony confirmed it's over 160M and if you go over all the fiscal year data reports for PS2 and even when they started combining PS3 numbers with it years later like Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) did, you will see that it's mathematically impossible for your ridiculous 162,3 and 4 comment to happen. For god sakes man, give it a rest and move on with you life.  



Chances are getting a lot smaller, it seems switch1 holiday sales arent that great



 

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Blood_Tears said:
angrypoolman said:

Exactly, if Nintendo sold 161 sony would just say they sold 162. If nintendo sold 163 sony would just say they sold 164. Its set up to pass the switch no matter what.

Now I understand why you need Rol back to make a prediction because when you're left to make one of your own we get these silly type of posts from you. Sony is unable to do that. Shawn Layden already said the final production number of 160,636,885 is legit. Sony confirmed it's over 160M and if you go over all the fiscal year data reports for PS2 and even when they started combining PS3 numbers with it years later like Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) did, you will see that it's mathematically impossible for your ridiculous 162,3 and 4 comment to happen. For god sakes man, give it a rest and move on with you life.  

Funny how this conversation is an eternal loop. But, again, production and shipments are different things, don't they? And wasn't Shawn Layden an ex-CEO by the time he made this statement? I thought we should compare official data about consoles shipment units, not statements of former employers about consoles production units.