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Forums - Sales - Famitsu sales: Week 49, 2021 - (29th Nov - 5th Dec)

src said:

Completely incorrect.

The majority of JP devs are continuing their AAA strategy or AA multiplat strategy from last gen.

I'm sure that's why FF16, FF7R, Forspoken, FF14, RE8, RE4R, DMCV SE, Pragmata, Tales of Arise, Scarlet Nexus, GG Strive, DnF, Virtua Fighter, Yakuza 7, GranBlu fantasy, Elden Ring are all skipping SW.

You list a multiplatforms that were in development years back (as much as 5 to 6 mind you) before the situation today those games are PS4 games with the exception of two and to add to it you listed a rumoured game that has no official announcement or platform yet it would be like if we listed the rumoured Resident Evil Revelations 3 for Switch I know you'd argue that the is no confirmed titled. Going forward we only know FF16 and Forspoken were PS5 games, mean while for Switch going forward we have Falcom now bringing all their games to Switch now starting with the entire Trails series being released by the end of next year this follows them releasing Ys VIII and IX, Nippon Ichi are now more focused in pushing Switch versions of their games with ironically Disgaea releasing in the west on it but not on PS, Vanillaware are bringing 13 Sentinels to Switch with added content but curiously no PS5 version despite the game releasing on PS4, Capcom have continued their support of MHR even SE have TP and Voice of Cards out in two months as well no PS5 versions in sight.

This is a better representation of where Japan is heading than the two next gen games for PS5 even only one is out next year the other will take time and may find it's way onto the Switch successor to try and salvage the series' decline in the region, I'll even take a bet right now with you that DQXII already has a Switch version due to the platform's sales in Japan. The developers are in the mean time getting on board the NS to maintain business in the region they don't care about wayward raytracing consoles have.

Let me break it down to you what people are saying, the PS4 and PS3 at least had some notable presence for Sony in the region but the brand is on a significant decline, if the current performance of the PS5 is an indication going forward to the point Sony can't be bothered to get stock in the region the market has to pivot elsewhere to be viable. At the current rate if a Switch successor arrives in 2024 the PS5 will only be at 3-4m in the region if this continues and should even some of the momentum of the Switch carry over it will over take the PS5 in just a year and the power gap that you're relying on in your argument here will be either gone or a none issue we've already seen Nippon Ichi do what I am pointing out expect the rest to all do the same at that point. This is the whole point people are looking at and you've not presented a single thing to debunk.

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src said:
Mnementh said:

"JP publishers are not going to abandon PS or even go multiplat just because they are losing <5% sales."

Then you go on and list a lot of franchises that all have 10%+ in Japan. For a country with less than 2% of world population. Funny, how your own data contradicts your statements.

And that is with cherry-picked developers (no NIS, Falcom, Spike Chunsoft, Mistwalker, Level-5, Grasshopper) and with cherry-picked franchises (no Monster Hunter, no Dragon Quest). And yes, Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest are very important IPs for SE and Capcom. So even by leaving out all the software that has a bigger sales in Japan, you fail to support your own make-believe scenario.

I never said anything about abandonign PS, only shifting focus to PC, mobile and Switch. Which is already happening for a lot of these companies. I don't think Capcom will not release RE on PS, but I hardly believe it will be exclusive, if Sony isn't paying for that. And if you think japanese devs will ignore a market that makes more than 10% of their sales because they are such big PS fanboys that they are unwilling to look past that ecosystem, you lie to yourself.

BTW: Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity sold more than Nioh, so that isn't KTs best selling game anymore. Also Nioh sold as far as I can see about 20% in Japan.

Hyrule Warriors is a Nintendo IP.

The publishers I listed make 80% of the JP 3rd party software sales and prob 95% of WW 3rd JP software sales. Also L5 games now sell more overseas since JP sales have collapsed, Spike Chunsoft's biggest franchise Danganronpa sells more overseas.

At this point all you have in rebuttal are incredibly small, niche devs compared to 95% of the industry. Safe to say, its clear which one of our arguments is irrelevant.

FF7R, FF16, Forspoken, GranBlue Fantasy, GG Strive, DnF, P5 Royal, Ghostwire Tokyo, Deathverse, Babylon.

You claimed Nioh was the best selling Koei title, but it isn't. And I think Koei execs could care less that their best-selling title is a Nintendo-cooperation, while they count their money.

You boldly go on with lies as you claim, the publishers you listed make 80% of Japanese 3rd-party software sales, yet the actual data says different:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/konami-is-the-top-selling-third-party-publisher-in-japan-2020-and-momotaro-is-the-best-selling-game.1583745/

And even looking at said publishers:

Capcom shows they make more than 19% of their revenue in Japan (again less than 2% of world population)

https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/img/img_title_03a.svg

So yes, even the strongly western oriented Capcom has a signifant portion of their revenue from japan.

Sure, as a westerner you might not care about Japan, but that doesn't mean japanese devs share your opinion. They want to make money. Japan is a significant market for them. So they will continue to pursue that market. If Playstation is unable or unwilling to support them in that, they will look into other options. As they already do. As I said, pretty much every japanese dev nowadays diversifies their portfolio onto mobile, PC or Switch.



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Endymion said:

Nintendo's japanese shipment data (including digital sales) and a lot of other data (log in to read the other posts):

https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/japan-nintendo-software-and-hardware-sales-data-from-1983-to-present.208/

Wow Ninetndo's first consoles the NES, is still the best selling with regards to software



padib said:
GProgrammer said:

Wow Ninetndo's first consoles the NES, is still the best selling with regards to software

I was surprised too.

Imho Nintendo's sales target in Switch should be the combined sales of Wii and DS, since they lived during the same time. Less dosble since games are more involved to make and now DLC is more important than sequels, but some coefficient of that number would make sense.

In Japan, Wii sold 75.94M, DS sold 213.82. Combined that is 289.76.

Nes sold 225.86, Switch is at 128.35

Imho they need to put in a serious lifecycle 2-phase push, almost. 2nd launch, if they want to double their numbers over the course of the remaining 5 years of the cycle which starts in 3.5 months, on March 2022.

I will probably make a thread about this.

The Switch's software peak should be next year, so I'm confident that it'll reach at least 200mil software.