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yvanjean on 25 November 2021
TruckOSaurus said:
yvanjean said:

First of all the WiiU was a flop but you random % is probably way off. Nintendo is made up of a very strong core audience that pick up every console.

That strong core audience can't be larger than 13.96m people then. victor's statement is indeed exaggerated but not that much. Assuming everyone who bought a Wii U has a Switch now (which is not the case but it makes the math easier) 85% of Switch owners never owned a Wii U (80.75m out of 94.71m).

Well WiiU was this short lived flop between the Wii and Switch. I would include the 3DS, Wii and WiiU owner in the switch to the Nintendo Switch. During the WiiU era many just decided to play on 3DS and never got a WiiU. That core is much higher than 13.96m WiiU numbers. So lets say 10-15% of Switch owner own the WiiU. How many percentage of the current switch owner own a 3ds? 



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Doctor_MG on 25 November 2021
yvanjean said:

Just because you say 41 games release some of these game are hardly worth mentioning 1-2-switch; Labo stuff; Arm; Splatoon games; Mario Kart Live; Mario Golf: Rush. In Nintendo case the remake a quick port that can feel the gap between new release especially for new switch owner. But, for someone that don't want to pay full price for a remake or interest in it these gap are getting longer and longer. Especially when you big release is a game or genre that you don't care. I never really enjoy Bayonetta 1 or 2, therefore I couldn't care less about 3. if BotW 2 get delayed next year that would suck. 

I don't intend to play Legends Arceus; therefore, do not have an opinion on it. Good for every one that have been asking for this open world Pokemon game for a long time. I guess!

You seem to forget that the Switch itself in term of todays spec is a low resolution and graphical quality system. Actually, the switch limitation might actually make it much harder to make high quality games due to spec limitation. 

It's pretty obvious that they scrap a few games project at Retro; I don't think we can say that studio as aptitude since they haven't been able to release a game in 9 years. It sad since they were one of the studio that made game that cater to a more mature audience at Nintendo. 

I'm not going to comment on the subjectivity argument. It's too personal and defeats the purpose of what we were arguing about. 

I don't really see what the specs have to do with what we were discussing either, to be honest. 

I don't think that a developer should be judged for what they haven't done rather than what they have done. Retro studios is a great developer historically. We don't know what's going on with them, but that doesn't mean they are inept. Not unless we have sufficient information to claim so. 

Anyway, I think I've made the point that I want to. You're free to disagree, of course, but we are starting to get off track and I'd rather end it where we are. 



TruckOSaurus on 25 November 2021
yvanjean said:
TruckOSaurus said:

That strong core audience can't be larger than 13.96m people then. victor's statement is indeed exaggerated but not that much. Assuming everyone who bought a Wii U has a Switch now (which is not the case but it makes the math easier) 85% of Switch owners never owned a Wii U (80.75m out of 94.71m).

Well WiiU was this short lived flop between the Wii and Switch. I would include the 3DS, Wii and WiiU owner in the switch to the Nintendo Switch. During the WiiU era many just decided to play on 3DS and never got a WiiU. That core is much higher than 13.96m WiiU numbers. So lets say 10-15% of Switch owner own the WiiU. How many percentage of the current switch owner own a 3ds? 

That is of no relevance when talking about if Wii U games are new to Switch owners. The point made was that Wii U ports are new games for a vast majority of Switch owners, that point is true.



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yvanjean on 25 November 2021
Doctor_MG said:
yvanjean said:

Just because you say 41 games release some of these game are hardly worth mentioning 1-2-switch; Labo stuff; Arm; Splatoon games; Mario Kart Live; Mario Golf: Rush. In Nintendo case the remake a quick port that can feel the gap between new release especially for new switch owner. But, for someone that don't want to pay full price for a remake or interest in it these gap are getting longer and longer. Especially when you big release is a game or genre that you don't care. I never really enjoy Bayonetta 1 or 2, therefore I couldn't care less about 3. if BotW 2 get delayed next year that would suck. 

I don't intend to play Legends Arceus; therefore, do not have an opinion on it. Good for every one that have been asking for this open world Pokemon game for a long time. I guess!

You seem to forget that the Switch itself in term of todays spec is a low resolution and graphical quality system. Actually, the switch limitation might actually make it much harder to make high quality games due to spec limitation. 

It's pretty obvious that they scrap a few games project at Retro; I don't think we can say that studio as aptitude since they haven't been able to release a game in 9 years. It sad since they were one of the studio that made game that cater to a more mature audience at Nintendo. 

I'm not going to comment on the subjectivity argument. It's too personal and defeats the purpose of what we were arguing about. 

I don't really see what the specs have to do with what we were discussing either, to be honest. 

I don't think that a developer should be judged for what they haven't done rather than what they have done. Retro studios is a great developer historically. We don't know what's going on with them, but that doesn't mean they are inept. Not unless we have sufficient information to claim so. 

Anyway, I think I've made the point that I want to. You're free to disagree, of course, but we are starting to get off track and I'd rather end it where we are. 

Well you started your entire argument on 69 games release by Nintendo on Switch. Disregarding remake and remastered and how well these game where received. You have to remember that compare to PlayStation and Microsoft there not much 3rd party support to support the platform. Of these games if they aren't well received it make huge gap on switch between major Nintendo release. Good that Capcom, Square Enix and Ubisoft are still supporting the console with unique exclusive. 

Specs: Nintendo really struggle from SD to HD switch during the WiiU era. I think this is amplified for all of Nintendo studios during the Switch Era since lower budget easier made game on 3DS are gone. Resulting in longer development time for all the games.  

Retro last major release was almost 8 years ago and they only took over and rebooted Metroid Prime 4 in 2019. There is obviously a cancel project between 2014-2019. We will soon see how good they remain with the release of Metroid Prime 4. 

Anyways, let's agree to end it here! 

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curl-6 on 25 November 2021

Astral Chain was also a considerable surprise to me; upon its reveal the art style and VA were extremely off-putting to me, and so I skipped it when it came out and only got around to playing it this year.

It far exceeded my expectations thanks to its interesting combat mechanics and non-combat segments that were fun in their own right rather than padding between fights. 



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Wman1996 on 25 November 2021

As for non-Nintendo releases, Bug Fables. As we know, it launched on Windows in 2019 and then consoles in 2020. It's so much like the first two Paper Mario games while also having its own appeal. I love it.
KOTOR coming to Switch was unexpected, but not unwelcome. I adored the game on Windows, and might get it on Switch. I would prefer a PS4 port, though. We are getting a remake on PS5, after all.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Didn't expect a Xenoblade Chronicles title to release within 9 months of the Switch's launch. Torna is great DLC as well.
Mario Party Superstars. It's back to the roots of the series. Wish it had more boards (like some from the GameCube titles and maybe one from Mario Party 8), though.
Banjo-Kazooie, K. Rool, Ridley, and Isabelle in Smash.
Kirby and the Forgotten Land. It looks legit. Finally, a 3D Kirby game. I hope it's good.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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d21lewis on 26 November 2021

I'll say Metroid Dread.
Metroid is the game that made me want an NES. Since then, it's been one of my absolute favorite series but...I wasn't too hyped for Metroid Dread. I just couldn't muster the excitement for a $60 2D Metroid that looked like it was going to have frustrating chase sequences as a core part of its gameplay.

I bought it on day one out of some sense of obligation rather than anticipation. I've felt the same way about other games. Sometimes it went well (Metal Gear Solid 3) and sometimes I just never give the game a chance and it sits on a shelf, unplayed for years (Red Dead Redemption 2).

With Dread, it sucked me in and I couldn't get enough of it until the credits rolled. Sorry I ever doubted Samus.



Leadified on 26 November 2021

Metroid Dread. I was pretty disappointed with Samus Returns, so I wasn’t expecting a whole lot from Dread. But I ended up loving the game, and I think it’s a very worthy sequel to Fusion!



Leadified on 26 November 2021

edit: double post

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Kakadu18 on 26 November 2021
freebs2 said:
Doctor_MG said:

Really dislike when people suggest that the Switch has mostly repackaged Wii U games. Of the 59** games Nintendo has published physically on the Switch only around 11 of them are also on Wii U. Here is the list: BotW, Mario Kart 8, Pokken Tournament, Bayonetta 2, DKC: Tropical Freeze, Hyrule Warriors 1, Captain Toad, New Super Mario Bros U, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Pikmin 3 Deluxe, and Super Mario 3D World. 

Since Nintendo released Mario Odyssey they've released 51 other titles, with only 8 of those titles being on the Wii U and four of those were in 2018. Basically, they've given us four titles on the Wii U in the last three years. This narrative that Nintendo has inundated its users with Wii U port after Wii U port has got to end. It's just not true. Maybe it was true back in 2018, but it's certainly not true in 2021. 

**This number doesn't include games that were only published in one region, such as Bravely Default 2, and it has combined certain titles such as Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee or the four Labo kits into one published title for simplicity and honesty 

Well aren't those quite a lot? I mean, of course Nintendo hasn't released ONLY repackaged WiiU but their reliance on repackaged ports cannot be overstated.

Lots of WiiU games piling up also with Wii remasters (see Mario All Stars, Skyward Sword, Xenoblade Chronicles) and remakes (Link to the Past, Advanced Wars, Mario Party Superstars). It could also be argued that some of the content branded as "original" didn't really evolve that much compared to its WiiU counterpart (Mario Maker 2, Splatoon 2).

Overall Metroid Dread was some needed fresh air, I haven't been playing the Switch since Luigi's Mansion release in 2019.

Bold: It's Link's Awakening.