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JackHandy said:
sundin13 said:

I feel that this perspective is somewhat ridiculous. The middle ground between justice and injustice is still an injustice.

Who said justice was extreme?

Political reality.



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sundin13 said:
JackHandy said:

Who said justice was extreme?

Political reality.

I don't think either side views justice as being inherently wrong. I just think they have trouble agreeing on when to seek it. And it's when you get into that territory that you start to see the extremism take hold and influence people in less-than-productive ways an the whole topic deforms and falls apart. 

Which just leads us right back to the concept of the truth lying somewhere in-between.



JackHandy said:
sundin13 said:

Political reality.

I don't think either side views justice as being inherently wrong. I just think they have trouble agreeing on when to seek it. And it's when you get into that territory that you start to see the extremism take hold and influence people in less-than-productive ways an the whole topic deforms and falls apart. 

Which just leads us right back to the concept of the truth lying somewhere in-between.

No one views the concept of justice as being inherently wrong, but there are certainly political positions which maintain systemic injustices. In order to compromise between fixes to such injustices, you must accept some degree of injustice. Far too often, the moderate position is simply the acceptance of smaller injustices and quieter suffering instead of actually finding the best options in a situation.



sundin13 said:
JackHandy said:

I don't think either side views justice as being inherently wrong. I just think they have trouble agreeing on when to seek it. And it's when you get into that territory that you start to see the extremism take hold and influence people in less-than-productive ways an the whole topic deforms and falls apart. 

Which just leads us right back to the concept of the truth lying somewhere in-between.

No one views the concept of justice as being inherently wrong, but there are certainly political positions which maintain systemic injustices. In order to compromise between fixes to such injustices, you must accept some degree of injustice. Far too often, the moderate position is simply the acceptance of smaller injustices and quieter suffering instead of actually finding the best options in a situation.

Again, the problem isn't justice. The problem is agreeing on when to seek it. And that had been perverted and distorted by political leaders on both sides of the isle to fit their means in the moment. And then you have Fox News telling its devotees that the left are evil-doers and out to destroy the country. And on the other side, you have MSNBC telling their devotees that the right are the evil-doers and out to destroy the country. But the truth of the matter this is: they are the evil-doers themselves. The media and the politicians who are masquerading behind one extreme or the other and using it to further their own agendas, which is mostly (surprise!) power and greed. And it's both sides doing it. The right, and the left. Both of them, equally. And that's why I said a moderate position is what's needed. Very rarely do you hear people these days talk about context, and yet context is the key to just about everything. It's the missing ingredient here; the door to people getting along again and justice truly being served; our salvation, if you want to get super dramatic about it. 

But unfortunately, the media on the right and left are losing the battle to the internet for revenue, so they're forced to drum up this ridiculous extremism where you're either a foe, or an enemy. So there's very little hope for our society finding context and subtlety in anything right now.

And that's just a shame.



I came up Ambivalent Right. *shrug*
I'm also a non-American, so I'm sure the quiz is not completely applicable, but for whatever it's worth.



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It is interesting that many of the non-Americans are getting ambivalent right here, despite American politics being quite shifted to the right of many other developed countries. It seems to confirm a hypothesis that I have that it's the American parties that are shifted right with respect to other countries and not the actual population. The problem is that the U.S has a FPTP electoral system where the population's diverse views aren't represented well.



It’s funny the way this pole (and the American political system/parties) limit what we can care about.

Size of Federal Gov (Grows regardless)
Religion in politics
Racial tolerance & White supremacy
Trade vs “Made in America”
Military Supremacy?
Are you amicable with our two parties
Technocrats?
Tax the rich?
Political correctness /SJW
LGBTQ+
Prison term length

I’m called an outsider left here, but I’d never vote for dems or reps again. Its like religion, racial and transgender equality is the only difference I’m allowed to make a stance on.



JackHandy said:
sundin13 said:

No one views the concept of justice as being inherently wrong, but there are certainly political positions which maintain systemic injustices. In order to compromise between fixes to such injustices, you must accept some degree of injustice. Far too often, the moderate position is simply the acceptance of smaller injustices and quieter suffering instead of actually finding the best options in a situation.

Again, the problem isn't justice. The problem is agreeing on when to seek it. And that had been perverted and distorted by political leaders on both sides of the isle to fit their means in the moment. And then you have Fox News telling its devotees that the left are evil-doers and out to destroy the country. And on the other side, you have MSNBC telling their devotees that the right are the evil-doers and out to destroy the country. But the truth of the matter this is: they are the evil-doers themselves. The media and the politicians who are masquerading behind one extreme or the other and using it to further their own agendas, which is mostly (surprise!) power and greed. And it's both sides doing it. The right, and the left. Both of them, equally. And that's why I said a moderate position is what's needed. Very rarely do you hear people these days talk about context, and yet context is the key to just about everything. It's the missing ingredient here; the door to people getting along again and justice truly being served; our salvation, if you want to get super dramatic about it. 

But unfortunately, the media on the right and left are losing the battle to the internet for revenue, so they're forced to drum up this ridiculous extremism where you're either a foe, or an enemy. So there's very little hope for our society finding context and subtlety in anything right now.

And that's just a shame.

The media is unethical therefore moderate policies are best (to paraphrase) is a pretty terrible argument. 

Last edited by sundin13 - on 22 November 2021

As a Belgian, I tried to imagine being an American citizen while filling in the topology.
I would be a "stressed sideliner". Guess I'm not a good fit for US politics.
In my country I'd be a Christian Democrat.



sc94597 said:
Pemalite said:

"Ambivalent Right"

I think that mostly stems from my capitalist ideologies, borders and small Government.. And means I am pretty near the center which is the ideal place to be.

In Australia that would mean I am Center-left as American Politics are a step over to the right from us.

I am a bit confused about your conclusion.

This test is pretty well calibrated to American voters (being based on voter ideology data), and you still get Ambivalent Right.

Since American politics are to the right of Australian politics, wouldn't that mean you are even more likely to be on the right in Australia since on the American-calibrated test you still get "Ambivalent Right" and not something on the American center-left/left?

No.
I will be in the center/center left.

Besides, those who are right-wing don't tend to support Climate Change, LGBTQI rights, Womens rights, Freedom from religion, Socialist ideas (Universal Health) to support capitalism (Private Health), Multi-Culturalism, Gender Equality which is what I do support.

sundin13 said:

I believe "Moderation Bias" is a very real thing first of all, and I think you are describing it pretty well. A lot of people see being a moderate or a centrist as a virtue, so they will either over-estimate how well they fit into that category, or assign some non-inherent value to middle of the road positions. As such, I would disagree that you remove biases when you stand in the middle. You just hold onto a different bias than those who stand on either side of you.

Further, I think we've seen in American politics lately that your second point isn't really as true in practice as it may seem in theory. Progressives and people on the left such as Bernie Sanders may not like to compromise, but they have accepted a lot of compromise within the Build Back Better bills (both the infrastructure bill that has passed both chambers and the social infrastructure bill which has only passed the House). On the other hand, those who seem least willing to compromise are those who stand in the middle. They are pretty clearly stating "Do it my way or you get nothing" (assuming "their way" isn't just doing nothing in the first place).

I also disagree with your final point that being a centrist is about merit based policy making. Much of the time, a centrist is just someone who fears change, even if that change would be beneficial. "Radical Moderates/Centrists" really aren't much of a thing, which is what you seem to be implying. Centrists largely favor either keeping things the way they are rather than making large or sudden changes, regardless of whether evidence indicates that those large changes would be beneficial. Like I said before, the centrist position holds no inherent value, the same as any other position. 

You read far to much into that and construed it into something it's not.



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