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Bethesda games are some of the best around, Oblivion was one of my top 3 from that generation, and Skyrim one of my top 3 from that generation, fallout 3, vegas and 4 also fantastic. To deny that these games are great is just justifying not having them available on ps5. Stop being fans of systems and just accept reality.

Are the games great, yeah definitely, does ps5 also have great exclusives, for sure, no doubt about it. Will you miss out if you don't own a PC/xbox, PS5 and switch? Yes

Even if you were to not spend money on a series X or an expensive PC, you could just get a second hand one X which is already amazing hardware for only 120 dollars. If you cant afford 120 on a system, then you wont survive as a gamer, considering video games are now 70-80 dollars, in fact I just preordered GT7 which was 90 dollars. Same with the switch, I've seen some switches on second hand classifieds for only 150 dollars.

With that said, if you can only have one console I'd choose PS5, sony's game selection is the best, spiderman, god of war, GT7, ghost of tsushima, dead stranding, Horizon zero dawn, Returnal, demon souls, ratchet, days gone, uncharted, the last of us, shadow of the colossus, persona 5, bloodborne and many more, I'm even enjoying loco roco at the moment, there's just too many essential games on PS5 to miss out.

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PotentHerbs said:
zero129 said:

And Bethesda is part of xbox game studios so whats your point?.

Final Fantasy being a bigger IP than the majority of Xbox Game Studios RPG's, with exclusivity being tightened on the PS5 this generation, helps replace the gap from Bethesda styled RPG's.

At first I was leaning towards agreeing, but I'm pretty sure Skyrim propelled that series above Final Fantasy. While Fallout 3/4 and Oblivion also sold mega numbers.

Personally, I'm kinda doubtful the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout will skip Playstation. Because Playstation users love those IPs and there is a ton of money to be made. However, making them console exclusive to Xbox would likely give a big sales boost to Xbox hardware.

To the contrary, most people who really care about Final Fantasy already buy Playstation. Since the late 90s and beyond, Playstation has been the place to play the major FF releases. Therefore Sony taking FF from Xbox wouldn't really matter that much. I mean Sony money hatted FF7 Remake and I don't think Xbox fans were really that upset over it. At best it was probably just gonna sell a few million on Xbox, a small fraction of what Fallout and Elder Scrolls sell on Playstation.



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You know, by the time the next Fallout hits, streaming will probably be at a state where most PS owners that want to play FO but don't/can't play on PC can just subscribe to Gamepass for a few months and play the game on xCloud. Non-XB/PC gamers maybe miss out on one or two Bethesda games over the next few years, but that's all. Everything on XB will be playable by anyone in an area with decent internet by the close of the current generation, without needing to own XB hardware or a gaming PC.  There are millions of people that this applies to already.  



Otter said:
JRPGfan said:

I feel you, 100% agree as well.
They should do their own JRPG, to counter.

Time for a return of a Wild Arms, Legend of Dragoon, Arc the Lad, Dark Cloud, Okage: Shadow King, Rogue Galaxy,.....
Sony just needs to start funding some JRPGs.

These are very different from a Bethesda style experience and sony has plenty of JRPG exclusives. More home grown isn't bad, but its not exactly a equivalent to elderscrolls

You could make a open world JRPG, thats easily equivalent to elderscrolls in scope, if you have the studios sony does.
Morrowwind sold great, but the simplistic gameplay, the bugs, and the endless sidequest (most without much meaning).... Elderscrolls has been getting worse with newer and newer releases. Elderscrolls online was horrible, I'm surprised its still running.

A big budget well done JRPG, could compete imo.



Mr Puggsly said:

At first I was leaning towards agreeing, but I'm pretty sure Skyrim propelled that series above Final Fantasy. While Fallout 3/4 and Oblivion also sold mega numbers.

Personally, I'm kinda doubtful the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout will skip Playstation. Because Playstation users love those IPs and there is a ton of money to be made. However, making them console exclusive to Xbox would likely give a big sales boost to Xbox hardware.

To the contrary, most people who really care about Final Fantasy already buy Playstation. Since the late 90s and beyond, Playstation has been the place to play the major FF releases. Therefore Sony taking FF from Xbox wouldn't really matter that much. I mean Sony money hatted FF7 Remake and I don't think Xbox fans were really that upset over it. At best it was probably just gonna sell a few million on Xbox, a small fraction of what Fallout and Elder Scrolls sell on Playstation.

I doubt the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout will be released on Playstation platforms. After the Zenimax buyout, the only games I expect to release on the PS5 would be games that are either timed exclusives, or a licensed deal like Indiana Jones. 

While the Playstation platform has lots of history with the Final Fantasy series, the mainline games have been multiplatform since their release on the Xbox 360, and timed exclusivity at the beginning of the generation for a major franchise like Final Fantasy, IMO, is a lot more impactful than a timed exclusive like FF7R at the end of the generation. After all, Final Fantasy is still capable of moving hardware, and by the time FF7R released on the PS4, hardware boosts have already been exhausted. 



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PotentHerbs said:
Mr Puggsly said:

At first I was leaning towards agreeing, but I'm pretty sure Skyrim propelled that series above Final Fantasy. While Fallout 3/4 and Oblivion also sold mega numbers.

Personally, I'm kinda doubtful the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout will skip Playstation. Because Playstation users love those IPs and there is a ton of money to be made. However, making them console exclusive to Xbox would likely give a big sales boost to Xbox hardware.

To the contrary, most people who really care about Final Fantasy already buy Playstation. Since the late 90s and beyond, Playstation has been the place to play the major FF releases. Therefore Sony taking FF from Xbox wouldn't really matter that much. I mean Sony money hatted FF7 Remake and I don't think Xbox fans were really that upset over it. At best it was probably just gonna sell a few million on Xbox, a small fraction of what Fallout and Elder Scrolls sell on Playstation.

I doubt the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout will be released on Playstation platforms. After the Zenimax buyout, the only games I expect to release on the PS5 would be games that are either timed exclusives, or a licensed deal like Indiana Jones. 

While the Playstation platform has lots of history with the Final Fantasy series, the mainline games have been multiplatform since their release on the Xbox 360, and timed exclusivity at the beginning of the generation for a major franchise like Final Fantasy, IMO, is a lot more impactful than a timed exclusive like FF7R at the end of the generation. After all, Final Fantasy is still capable of moving hardware, and by the time FF7R released on the PS4, hardware boosts have already been exhausted. 

It's wait and see on whether or not new Fallout and Elder Scrolls games come to PlayStation. MS could support Playstation and still boast those games are coming to Gamepass.

Even when PlayStation and Xbox had a similar sized userbase in the 7th gen, Final Fantasy still sold much better on PlayStation. Xbox simply doesn't have that many weebs.

Hence, PlayStation losing Bethesda RPGs is a much bigger impact than Xbox losing Final Fantasy. Sony taking Street Fighter was more significant than FF7 Remake.



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PS4 did quite well without any new elder scrolls. There was just one big Bethesda RPG for the whole generation, fallout 4 which is not even on the 20 best selling games on ps4. I'm sure Sony will have plenty games to fill the hole. I'd be more worried for xbox having games than ps5. Starfield wont release until end of 2022 earliest, by then ps5 will have GT7, God of war, horizon 2. final fantasy 16 (rpg to match starfield), Forspoken (rpg to match starfield)



Mr Puggsly said:

It's wait and see on whether or not new Fallout and Elder Scrolls games come to PlayStation. MS could support Playstation and still boast those games are coming to Gamepass.

Even when PlayStation and Xbox had a similar sized userbase in the 7th gen, Final Fantasy still sold much better on PlayStation. Xbox simply doesn't have that many weebs.

Hence, PlayStation losing Bethesda RPGs is a much bigger impact than Xbox losing Final Fantasy. Sony taking Street Fighter was more significant than FF7 Remake.

I'm not going to hold my breath for Microsoft to release the next Fallout or Elder Scrolls on the PS5. Just based on the PR statements they've made about the topic, I find it to be very unlikely.

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Final Fantasy wasn't meant to replace Bethesda games by itself. Rather, it is part of the solution to mitigate that impact, along with Sony's first party, and potential acquisitions or partnerships. 

It doesn't matter how many weebs there are on the Xbox ecosystem, Final Fantasy still has massive pull in the RPG market, (FF15 sold 8.9 Million copies by October 2019) it has significantly more mainstream appeal than Fable, TOW2, or Avowed, and its a major factor as to why Sony will have a chunk of the RPG market despite losing a publisher like Bethesda. If none of Microsoft's RPG's, aside from Bethesda Games, can topple the popularity of Final Fantasy, it is much easier for Sony to fill the gap left by the Zenimax buyout.

Besides, by the time the next TES releases, its overall impact on the Playstation platform will be minimal, considering we'll be past the midway point of the generation when console sales start to saturate. 



I'll take Legend of the Dragoon for the win.

LoD1 sold about the same as Final Fantasy 1 and far more than Elder Scrolls 1. Just imagine if they made about 6 of them.



Mr Puggsly said:
PotentHerbs said:

Final Fantasy being a bigger IP than the majority of Xbox Game Studios RPG's, with exclusivity being tightened on the PS5 this generation, helps replace the gap from Bethesda styled RPG's.

At first I was leaning towards agreeing, but I'm pretty sure Skyrim propelled that series above Final Fantasy. While Fallout 3/4 and Oblivion also sold mega numbers.

Personally, I'm kinda doubtful the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout will skip Playstation. Because Playstation users love those IPs and there is a ton of money to be made. However, making them console exclusive to Xbox would likely give a big sales boost to Xbox hardware.

To the contrary, most people who really care about Final Fantasy already buy Playstation. Since the late 90s and beyond, Playstation has been the place to play the major FF releases. Therefore Sony taking FF from Xbox wouldn't really matter that much. I mean Sony money hatted FF7 Remake and I don't think Xbox fans were really that upset over it. At best it was probably just gonna sell a few million on Xbox, a small fraction of what Fallout and Elder Scrolls sell on Playstation.

Remember, without playstation and switch and remasters, skyrim numbers would have been way less, bringing it more on par with the final fantasy games.

So yeah, final fantasy 16 is a good replacement on ps5. Whoever only has ps5 will definitely be missing great games, but any gamer who actually likes videogames will already have either a ps4/ps5 and either an xbox one, xbox series or PC.

Personally I'd rather play the next Elder scrolls than final fantasy 16, but the next elder scrolls is many years away from release while final fantasy 16 is already next year.