Kakadu18 said:
I'm willing to bet on the Switch reaching 33mil lifetime. |
33m? How? Would take another year like 2021 and 2020 at least.
As a reminder the Switch turns 5 years old in March 2022.
Kakadu18 said:
I'm willing to bet on the Switch reaching 33mil lifetime. |
33m? How? Would take another year like 2021 and 2020 at least.
As a reminder the Switch turns 5 years old in March 2022.
Farsala said:
33m? How? Would take another year like 2021 and 2020 at least. As a reminder the Switch turns 5 years old in March 2022. |
TBF, 2022 is looking very promising for the Switch in Japan:
- Higher stock for the OLED model.
- Pokemon Legends Arceus
- Splatoon 3
- Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak expansion
- Kirby and the Forgotten Land
- Breath of the Wild 2
And smaller stuff like Triangle Strategy and Bayonetta 3 to back up the big guns.
And that’s just the stuff we know about! We’re due for a new Fire Emblem, DKC, 3D Mario, and/or maybe even Pokemon Gen 9.
I’m aware that the Switch is beginning to reach the latter phase of its cycle, but 2022 has the potential, at least in Japan, to be its best year to date.
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Switch outselling DS is 50/50 at this point. It can definitely go either way.
2022 will be key. Another 5+ million year will all but guarantee that Switch will become #1 in Japan.
PAOerfulone said:
TBF, 2022 is looking very promising for the Switch in Japan: - Higher stock for the OLED model. And smaller stuff like Triangle Strategy and Bayonetta 3 to back up the big guns. And that’s just the stuff we know about! We’re due for a new Fire Emblem, DKC, 3D Mario, and/or maybe even Pokemon Gen 9. I’m aware that the Switch is beginning to reach the latter phase of its cycle, but 2022 has the potential, at least in Japan, to be its best year to date. |
System sellers become less effective the older a system gets, especially in Japan.
The DS shipped in 14 quarters 22.38m, so sell through would be about the Switch numbers now.
Switch is now on its 20th quarter.
So about 6 quarters behind, 33m is definitely going to be difficult.
| Farsala said: System sellers become less effective the older a system gets, especially in Japan. The DS shipped in 14 quarters 22.38m, so sell through would be about the Switch numbers now. Switch is now on its 20th quarter. So about 6 quarters behind, 33m is definitely going to be difficult. |
No system before has been a hybrid so the pool of consumers still to buy is higher plus the 3DS late in its life had system sellers revitalize its run leading to it having an nine year run and Switch is likely going to have an equivalent run and it's going into a fifth year that's as packed as its launch year. The system is still having supply issues four years later soon to be five even the DS didn't have that, one of the reasons for the DS' fast progression was the dead cheap price as at launch it was $150/£99 so the fact that Switch is only 6 quarters behind highlights the momentum it has without having that.
Famitsu Top 50 2021(Unofficial Ranking)
TOTAL: 13.840.403
TOTAL NSW: 12.797.301 (92.5%)
TOTAL PS4/PS5: 1.043.102 (7.5%)
Next week is the launch of Mario Party & Super Robot Wars 30
The only PS5 game is in danger of leaving the Top 50 in two weeks time.
Top 10 Publishers:
Koei Tecmo exits the Top 10 Publishers replaced by Aniplex as the Switch version of Samurai Warriors 5 exited the Top 50.
Wyrdness said:
No system before has been a hybrid so the pool of consumers still to buy is higher plus the 3DS late in its life had system sellers revitalize its run leading to it having an nine year run and Switch is likely going to have an equivalent run and it's going into a fifth year that's as packed as its launch year. The system is still having supply issues four years later soon to be five even the DS didn't have that, one of the reasons for the DS' fast progression was the dead cheap price as at launch it was $150/£99 so the fact that Switch is only 6 quarters behind highlights the momentum it has without having that. |
So you think the Switch will match the DS too?
Supply issues aren't guaranteed to be fixed. Price cuts aren't guaranteed to happen. Revision 3 is already out much like Nintendo's previous handhelds, the oomph won't be so much in year 5.
2022 has no chance of being up YoY. I wish people would stop making such extreme positive predictions for the Switch because suddenly the real results turn from great to somehow less than expected or disappointing. Whether that be "Switch will outsell PS2" or "Switch 2021 will be best year for any console ever!" Or "switch will sell more in 2022 in Japan."
Switch is old and has peaked whether that is 2020 or 2021 for Japan.
These aren't realistic expectations. Switch is a monster but this is just over egging it and turning greatness into "not as good as some people thought."
| Farsala said: So you think the Switch will match the DS too? Supply issues aren't guaranteed to be fixed. Price cuts aren't guaranteed to happen. Revision 3 is already out much like Nintendo's previous handhelds, the oomph won't be so much in year 5. |
Switch has combined factors they didn't starting with one unified userbase consolidating all of Nintendo's focus thus leading to the strong line up next year, an uncontested monopoly on one side of the market and most importantly a longer active run then prior platforms. The oomph will be higher than what prior platforms had in their fifth year it doesn't need to match 2021 or 2020 because Nintendo is pushing for a longer platform life as this is the middle of the platform's life and their handling of things suggests as such, price cuts will happen when they see fit they're outselling all other platforms 5 to 1 combined right now with out one an example is in Europe where Switch got a slight price cut as its the lower performing region of the major ones.
There are two main reasons why someone would expect Switch to slow down, first would be Nintendo shifting development resources to a different console and second being strong competition.
Total Hardware Per Year Japan / % for Market Leader
Both of these are unlikely, so we are looking at a third year in a row where Switch will achieve over 80% market share in terms of hardware and second year in a row it will achieve more than 90% of software sales. So we are likely to see another year with at minimum 5 million units sold, and even if a successor launches in 2023 we are still unlikely to see a huge drop in sales as it's more likely that Switch remains over 3 million units sold. So end of 2023 we would be looking at a minimum of 31 million units, so within touching distance of the DS/GBA.
The only time Hardware Sales in Japan dropped below 5.7 million was in 2016 - an year where the two games that managed to be surpass 1 million were on the 3DS a device which Nintendo was no longer supporting - Sun / Moon; Yo-kai 3 were Pokemon Co & Level 5 Games. Compare that to next year we have Splatoon 3 which is likely going the 2nd biggest launch on the Switch in Japan, Arceus which should be able to do Pokemon Lets Go numbers, Breath of the Wild sequel thats likely to be the fastest selling Zelda title in Japan and Kirby another potential game to surpass 1 million.
Nintendo also faces the least amount of competition since 1994. The anemic performance of PS5 software which is at a level of X360, with most logical explanation that units are being resold outside of Japan for a profit. With chip shortages expected to continue in 2023 if demand outside of Japan continues to make reselling PS5 profitable than the situation will continue to get worse for the PS ecosystem as PS4 continues its decline and is discontinued.
Finally there is the not so small matter of third party support:
Famitsu Switch 3rd Parties 2017-2020
TOTAL: 9.327.214
Famitsu Switch 3rd Parties 2021 Top 30(Known Sales):
TOTAL: 6.489.876
Its very likely that in 2021 third party games can end up very close to what they achieved for the previous four years; their support will continue to accelerate in 2022. In the past it was this third party support that enabled PSP, PS2 to be very successful and have a huge quantity of exclusive titles coming out every week. Now with the PS5 failing to even match X360 numbers, what exactly options do most third party publishers out of Japan have? The growth in software market share Nintendo has been able to achieve on the Switch at the PS4/PS5's expense is already started to be felt. This year in the Top 50 of third party games over 80% will end up on the Switch; last year it was around 50%.
All these factors combined put the Switch in a very unprecedented position compared to prior consoles in Japan.