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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS5 Ships 13.4 Million Units as of September 30, PS4 Ships 116.6 Million

kirby007 said:
DonFerrari said:

I don't think the capacities competes, different wafers and manufacturing process I would say.

that is like saying a car factory can only produce one kind of car

I am quite sure the lowered demand on the ps4 opened room to swap part of the processes over.

Sure you can change the factory to make PS5 where it used to do PS4. But your analogy about cars would be like would make sense for a Ford plant to swap from making Ford Focus to Fiat Panda? You would need to change most equipment and tools, possible but not really worth.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
kirby007 said:

that is like saying a car factory can only produce one kind of car

I am quite sure the lowered demand on the ps4 opened room to swap part of the processes over.

Sure you can change the factory to make PS5 where it used to do PS4. But your analogy about cars would be like would make sense for a Ford plant to swap from making Ford Focus to Fiat Panda? You would need to change most equipment and tools, possible but not really worth.

a prime example of this is Nedcar ( check vdlgroep if interested ) same factory makes multiple models even for multiple brands



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so with the new PS5 numbers, we now have few weeks where PS5 have beaten the switch to 1st place on the weekly sales. Congrats!



Dulfite said:
DonFerrari said:

Different from PS2 days and before when the launch in markets were a lot more tiered and they had less historical data, probably now they have enough that show the drop in SW sales is step even if they keep selling systems so it is pointless to cut the price and keep the tail going for years when they can put that money in accelerating the current gen and earn more profits (PS4 and PS5 profits shows that it is working much better than PS1 to PS3 eras). PS2 dominated and outsold competition like 5:1 and had 1.5B sold of SW still PS4 was having profits that possibly in every year outdone the combined years of PS2.

Exactly. And I've said it before, PS2 only sold as many HW units as it did because it had a ridiculously long life, which helped contribute to PS3 having a LOT less units sold by the end of PS3's life (amongst other reasons). But as you point out, it's about profits, and that's why PS4 is tanking now and PS5 is thriving, and it's also the main reasoning behind why I think Nintendo will cut the cord on Switch 1 in 2023 to fully embrace Switch 2. All about profits, which you achieve on newer systems with excited fanbases willing to pay full price for new games, full price for consoles, and full price for accessories.

Software sales will be a joke in 2023 for Switch 1 compared to what Switch 2 could do, just like they are a joke right now for PS4 compared to what PS5 is doing.

Long life the 6 year cycle!

PS4 life cycle was more than 7 years. Switch software sales will only tank when Switch 2 does actually release in 2023. If the PS5 would release this year in November instead of last year PS4 would have sold way better this year in terms of soft- and hardware.

The PS2 sold so much longer mainly because the PS3 was so insanely overpriced.



kirby007 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure you can change the factory to make PS5 where it used to do PS4. But your analogy about cars would be like would make sense for a Ford plant to swap from making Ford Focus to Fiat Panda? You would need to change most equipment and tools, possible but not really worth.

a prime example of this is Nedcar ( check vdlgroep if interested ) same factory makes multiple models even for multiple brands

Do they make on the same tools and equipment/lines products that need different ones?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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With those software numbers, the number of PS4 games sold is around 1650 million units.
The PS4 has an attach ratio of about 14.1 games per console.

Is that the highest ratio for any console/handheld??



kazuyamishima said:

With those software numbers, the number of PS4 games sold is around 1650 million units.
The PS4 has an attach ratio of about 14.1 games per console.

Is that the highest ratio for any console/handheld??

Not sure, but certainly is the highest SW sold ever on a console or handheld platform



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

PS4 vs Gameboy is coming right down to the wire. Will be very close either way.

Rafie said:
curl-6 said:

PS4 really seems to be nearing the end of the road.

The pandemic pretty much killed it. After stock went out, no more PS4s were getting manufactured. Of course priority shifted to the new consoles. Hence the stalled hardware. Shame really. I thought for sure it would have gotten to at least 125m.

I wouldn't say the pandemic killed it. It over 6 years old already when covid started in earnest, so it was already slowing down; as others have already said, once it was replaced Sony would rather people buy a PS5 than a PS4 so they opted not to take extraordinary measure to prolong the latter's life and just let it ride out what momentum it had left.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:

PS4 vs Gameboy is coming right down to the wire. Will be very close either way.

Rafie said:

The pandemic pretty much killed it. After stock went out, no more PS4s were getting manufactured. Of course priority shifted to the new consoles. Hence the stalled hardware. Shame really. I thought for sure it would have gotten to at least 125m.

I wouldn't say the pandemic killed it. It over 6 years old already when covid started in earnest, so it was already slowing down; as others have already said, once it was replaced Sony would rather people buy a PS5 than a PS4 so they opted not to take extraordinary measure to prolong the latter's life and just let it ride out what momentum it had left.

I would say that if they had done a pricecut the pandemic would have boosted the sales of PS4 even on the verge of death.

So yes the decision to let PS4 and X1 die was from their manufacturers, not fault of pandemic. The shortages of PS5 and Series can be partially faulted to pandemic thought.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

PS4 vs Gameboy is coming right down to the wire. Will be very close either way.

I wouldn't say the pandemic killed it. It over 6 years old already when covid started in earnest, so it was already slowing down; as others have already said, once it was replaced Sony would rather people buy a PS5 than a PS4 so they opted not to take extraordinary measure to prolong the latter's life and just let it ride out what momentum it had left.

I would say that if they had done a pricecut the pandemic would have boosted the sales of PS4 even on the verge of death.

So yes the decision to let PS4 and X1 die was from their manufacturers, not fault of pandemic. The shortages of PS5 and Series can be partially faulted to pandemic thought.

Sony must've been making a lot of money on each PS4 sold at $300 by 2020, so they chose profits over sales numbers in the short term, then once PS5 was out the new system became their priority.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.