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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS5 Ships 13.4 Million Units as of September 30, PS4 Ships 116.6 Million

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

I would say that if they had done a pricecut the pandemic would have boosted the sales of PS4 even on the verge of death.

So yes the decision to let PS4 and X1 die was from their manufacturers, not fault of pandemic. The shortages of PS5 and Series can be partially faulted to pandemic thought.

Sony must've been making a lot of money on each PS4 sold at $300 by 2020, so they chose profits over sales numbers in the short term, then once PS5 was out the new system became their priority.

That would be my guess as well, they decided that whatever extra number they could sell with the system at 150 or 200 wouldn`t generate extra royalties from SW enough to justify it.



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I still think keeping PS4 Slim 500gb as the only model and priced at $199 would have been worth it for Sony.

After all Sony in 2020 was all about "We believe in generations", but since then we got Horizon FB, GT7, and GOW Ragnarok confirmed for PS4.



Radek said:

I still think keeping PS4 Slim 500gb as the only model and priced at $199 would have been worth it for Sony.

After all Sony in 2020 was all about "We believe in generations", but since then we got Horizon FB, GT7, and GOW Ragnarok confirmed for PS4.

As someone pointed to me here, they may not be able to do more PS4s as what they get they use to make PS5s.

But Sony refusing to give it a price cut all this time was just plain stupid considering the games they were developing would still all land on PS4.



Sadly right now it wouldn't make sense anymore to make a PS4 SoC that allow to cut its price to cheap entry level system. Pandemic chip shortages and logistic problems really killed any plan to extend its life, unless economic recovery boost again chipmaking R&D and resources to levels allowing to make such SoC at a cost low enough to make the operation low-risk (older gen consoles, requiring much less computing power, are far easier to remake using emulation and cheap customisations of generic low-cost SoC, allowing Ninty, the most important company to make such replicas right now, to profit also on relatively low sales volumes, but probably PS4 power is still out of reach for the cheapest options).



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BraLoD said:
Radek said:

I still think keeping PS4 Slim 500gb as the only model and priced at $199 would have been worth it for Sony.

After all Sony in 2020 was all about "We believe in generations", but since then we got Horizon FB, GT7, and GOW Ragnarok confirmed for PS4.

As someone pointed to me here, they may not be able to do more PS4s as what they get they use to make PS5s.

But Sony refusing to give it a price cut all this time was just plain stupid considering the games they were developing would still all land on PS4.

If they're not going to produce many more PS4s they probably want to make sure they at least make a big profit margin on each one they do sell, hence keeping it at $300.



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Well there's the super slim possibility, that the lack of PS4's is due to a new super slim model coming out. How it wouldn't have leaked by now seems impossible, but regardless this is pretty unlikely based on the shortage scenario. Any capacity SNY may have had lined up with TSMC for PS4 7nm APU's would likely be better diverted to PS5 APU's instead.

SNY has no choice but to take the long game into account, and because of that, even if they felt they could profit more off of PS4's right now, they had to make sure not to potentially let XB Series consoles get too much momentum. A weak start to a gen just causes bigger headaches that drags on, and SNY definitely remembers what it was like when they gave XB 360 a year head start. Since the XB Series consoles are proving stronger for MS than both XB1 and XB360, SNY has to keep PS5 at the forefront, even if that means sacrificing future PS4 sales.



EricHiggin said:

Well there's the super slim possibility, that the lack of PS4's is due to a new super slim model coming out. How it wouldn't have leaked by now seems impossible, but regardless this is pretty unlikely based on the shortage scenario. Any capacity SNY may have had lined up with TSMC for PS4 7nm APU's would likely be better diverted to PS5 APU's instead.

SNY has no choice but to take the long game into account, and because of that, even if they felt they could profit more off of PS4's right now, they had to make sure not to potentially let XB Series consoles get too much momentum. A weak start to a gen just causes bigger headaches that drags on, and SNY definitely remembers what it was like when they gave XB 360 a year head start. Since the XB Series consoles are proving stronger for MS than both XB1 and XB360, SNY has to keep PS5 at the forefront, even if that means sacrificing future PS4 sales.

Yeah as you said it's pretty much impossible, also PS4 Slim is already so thin, small and light then I can't imagine how small 7nm Super Slim would have been.



Radek said:
EricHiggin said:

Well there's the super slim possibility, that the lack of PS4's is due to a new super slim model coming out. How it wouldn't have leaked by now seems impossible, but regardless this is pretty unlikely based on the shortage scenario. Any capacity SNY may have had lined up with TSMC for PS4 7nm APU's would likely be better diverted to PS5 APU's instead.

SNY has no choice but to take the long game into account, and because of that, even if they felt they could profit more off of PS4's right now, they had to make sure not to potentially let XB Series consoles get too much momentum. A weak start to a gen just causes bigger headaches that drags on, and SNY definitely remembers what it was like when they gave XB 360 a year head start. Since the XB Series consoles are proving stronger for MS than both XB1 and XB360, SNY has to keep PS5 at the forefront, even if that means sacrificing future PS4 sales.

Yeah as you said it's pretty much impossible, also PS4 Slim is already so thin, small and light then I can't imagine how small 7nm Super Slim would have been.

Maybe something like this? The bottom one would be like PS2 Slim thin.



Radek said:
EricHiggin said:

Well there's the super slim possibility, that the lack of PS4's is due to a new super slim model coming out. How it wouldn't have leaked by now seems impossible, but regardless this is pretty unlikely based on the shortage scenario. Any capacity SNY may have had lined up with TSMC for PS4 7nm APU's would likely be better diverted to PS5 APU's instead.

SNY has no choice but to take the long game into account, and because of that, even if they felt they could profit more off of PS4's right now, they had to make sure not to potentially let XB Series consoles get too much momentum. A weak start to a gen just causes bigger headaches that drags on, and SNY definitely remembers what it was like when they gave XB 360 a year head start. Since the XB Series consoles are proving stronger for MS than both XB1 and XB360, SNY has to keep PS5 at the forefront, even if that means sacrificing future PS4 sales.

Yeah as you said it's pretty much impossible, also PS4 Slim is already so thin, small and light then I can't imagine how small 7nm Super Slim would have been.

If you compare PS1 to the PSOne you'll see it is quite possible to make it a lot smaller =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

EricHiggin said:
Radek said:

Yeah as you said it's pretty much impossible, also PS4 Slim is already so thin, small and light then I can't imagine how small 7nm Super Slim would have been.

Maybe something like this? The bottom one would be like PS2 Slim thin.

The middle one looks somewhat believeable. But if they decided to make it they have to make sure it runs as quiet as PS4 Slim from 2016 does.