I know. It's just a phrase I coined for when people make leo-j-esque arguments.

I've had a Wii since launch and so far the only games that actually made me flail about were Rayman Raving Rabbids, Mario Party 8, and Wario Ware: Smooth Moves. Other than that it's been pretty solid pointing and shooting/selecting, and buttons and small comfortable gestures.

All i have to say is welcome and you and starcraft will get on just fine

Hehe. I do want you to think about this, however:

Several Wii and DS games don't use the motion controls or touchscreen for a main gameplay device.

I consider the best games on each system to be:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney(DS)

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn(Wii)

Both of these games don't require even the slightest use of the hardwares functionality, both are overlooked, and both add a tremendous amount of value to the hardware as a purchase, since they are exclusives.

While you may be correct, that twitch based games require you to use motion/touch controls, which you don't like, just remember that not all games, nor will all games for the systems be easily categorized as a "wagglefest," and indeed there are far more hardcore games with traditional controls for both systems than their detractors would like to admit.

Thanks for responding with class. 

I agree with the Wii statements, especially the part that if i wanted to get into shape I'd go to the gym, not wave my arms around or lean on a white board (wii fit).

I am a fanboy though. Never owned a nintendo console (except gameboy), and always owned Sony consoles.

Zen. Points taken. Honestly I could see myself getting a Wii at some point and just avoiding the "wagglefests" lol. But there is no need for me now, I'm doing good to feed my 360 with all the games coming out I want. What I honestly hope is that Nintendo will go more of a V.R. direction with the system, release a helmet/screen and allow head movement controls, integrate that with the Wiifit board and you might could have some poor man's V.R. Right now it's just not.

I will say the one thing I did love was how driving felt... and I'm basing this off the 5 second driving mini game in Wario Ware but I did see potential there. Of course I could just pick up a steering wheel for my current system and get the same effect.

Pointing and aiming felt loose to me though, like I said somewhere else I felt NES Zapper felt more precise.

What do you call Wii Sports Boxing?

I kid. I kid.

Anyways, welcome to the forums. Look forward to seeing you around.

Nice post, and welcome.

 Welcome to VGC , and have fun , because at the end of the day , thats why this site exists , to have fun ... BTW with that statement you just became one of my frinds like it or not :)

Welcome to our house...