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What do you think?

OLED overpriced and Switch Pro incoming 5 10.87%
 
OLED overpriced, no Switch Pro coming 14 30.43%
 
OLED fairly priced, Switch Pro incoming 6 13.04%
 
OLED fairly priced, no Switch Pro coming 12 26.09%
 
Can everyone shut up 7 15.22%
 
About Switch Pro 0 0%
 
And please look 0 0%
 
forward to 0 0%
 
Switch 2!!!!! 2 4.35%
 
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archbrix said:

@Mandalore76 already explained why cross-gen Zelda made sense before, but I'll elaborate. 

Say that BOTW2 would be ready by holiday of 2022, but Nintendo decides to sit on the game until holiday of 2023 to coincide with the release of Switch 2.  This is something that would make sense if the Switch were a struggling console.  But just like Super Mario 3 didn't need cross-gen with a premature release of the SNES, BOTW2 would be better served to release in 2022 as intended, making the next entry in the series a full-on Switch 2 project for a 2026 release (for the 40th anniversary).  Nobody is saying that software for Switch will completely dry up once Switch 2 releases, just that it's unnecessary for Switch 2 to release that soon when it's in Nintendo's best interest to maximize profits and software output for the hit system they already have.

Nintendo repeatedly expressing interest in giving the Switch a longer life span coupled with the Switch's sales momentum make a 2023 holiday release for Switch 2 unlikely, despite the fact that it's only a few months prior to March of 2024.  It's certainly not impossible that it could happen, but at this point, I think a March 2025 release for Switch 2 is just as likely as 2023.

I'm not arguing for BOTW2 to be delayed to line up with the Switch 2 (although that could happen organically :p), simply saying that maximising the profits of such a game shouldn't be a reason to argue against a 2023 successor. Games can release the same year of the new console (or the year before) and still sell a shit tonne of units, and even be boosted by the new hardware. Equally, games can release in absence of new hardware and find themselves with a dwindling or fickle audience, particularly with direct sequels like Mario Galaxy 2 for example.



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There is no way they are releasing a OLED model to just move on to a new gen soon. Switch pro will def happen sooner or later.



JRPGfan said:
Dulfite said:

https://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-denies-another-switch-revision-is-being-planned/

So, looks like both the profit of $40 per OLED console (in addition to whatever they normally profit from Switch's being sold) is bogus. Also, great news for gamers like me that want Switch 2, as it looks like OLED is their final iteration of original Switch hardware! Or at least "at this time."

I am aware that "no plans for launching any other model at this time" doesn't necessarily mean they aren't developing another iteration and that they simply may not have planned out the launch date for it. I'm hopeful they don't release a Switch Pro, that way we can get a Switch 2 as early as possible (we will need it even more than a Pro if Valve succeeds at what they are trying to do and sales start to slow down). Hoping for 2023 Switch :)

Switch OLED $350

Custom Nvidia Tegra X1 SoC
4 core 4 thread ARM A57 CPU @ 1.0 GHz
0.16-0.24 TFLOPs (handheld) / 0.39 TFLOPs (docked) Nvidia Maxwell GPU (256 cores @ 307-768 MHz)
4 GB LPPDDR4 @ 25 GB/s
32/64 GB eMMC, + MicroSD card slot

7" 16x9 OLED 1280x720 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 4.1
Dock - AC In (power), LAN, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 1.4 Out
Max AV Out - 1080p 60 Hz, PCM 5.1


SteamDeck $400

Custom AMD SoC
4 core 8 thread AMD Zen2 CPU @ 2.4-3.5 GHz
1.02-1.64 TFLOPs AMD RDNA2 GPU (512 cores @ 1.0-1.6 GHz)
16 GB LPDDR5 (88 GB/s)
64 GB eMMC (Gen2x1)+ MicroSD card slot

7" 16x10 LCD 1280x800 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 5.0
Dock* - USB-C (for power), USB-C (to SteamDeck), LAN, USB-A 3.1, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 2.0 Out
Max AV Out - 2160p 120 Hz, PCM 7.1

50$ more (with the steamdeck) gets you:

x 4-7 ? cpu the CPU power

~7 times the GPU power

4 times the Ram size and ~4 times the memory bandwidth.

You can run switch games emulated, that run more smoothly than a switch does, with this thing.

How is it possible, the differnce is this big, if Nintendo isnt makeing a ton of profit on hardware unit sales?

I will never understand why people keep bringing up emulation like it isn't a horrible thing. Unless you buy the game first, you should never emulate. That deprives studios of earned money, which deprieves workers of earning higher wages, more days off, bonuses, and more coworkers from being hired to offload overtaxing expectations from project leaders. If we want a healthy video game market with many video games for all gamers, then gamers need to invest in video game companies. I wish this website would moderate suggestions of emulation (unless you already purchased the game in some way), but there are simply too many people here content with illegally downloading games to try to stifle it out I fear.



TomaTito said:
JRPGfan said:

Switch OLED $350

Custom Nvidia Tegra X1 SoC
4 core 4 thread ARM A57 CPU @ 1.0 GHz
0.16-0.24 TFLOPs (handheld) / 0.39 TFLOPs (docked) Nvidia Maxwell GPU (256 cores @ 307-768 MHz)
4 GB LPPDDR4 @ 25 GB/s
32/64 GB eMMC, + MicroSD card slot

7" 16x9 OLED 1280x720 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 4.1
Dock - AC In (power), LAN, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 1.4 Out
Max AV Out - 1080p 60 Hz, PCM 5.1


SteamDeck $400

Custom AMD SoC
4 core 8 thread AMD Zen2 CPU @ 2.4-3.5 GHz
1.02-1.64 TFLOPs AMD RDNA2 GPU (512 cores @ 1.0-1.6 GHz)
16 GB LPDDR5 (88 GB/s)
64 GB eMMC (Gen2x1)+ MicroSD card slot

7" 16x10 LCD 1280x800 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 5.0
Dock* - USB-C (for power), USB-C (to SteamDeck), LAN, USB-A 3.1, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 2.0 Out
Max AV Out - 2160p 120 Hz, PCM 7.1

50$ plus *

You should wait and see how much they will charge for the Steam Dock.

Not just that, but that basic model has almost no memory. PC games aren't optimized and compressed like console games, and most console games aren't done like Nintendo console games. It will require a lot more memory to download games on Steam Deck than on Switch, which means you will need probably minimum of 250, probably 500g MicroSD card, maybe more depending on how many games you want to have permanently on the device. So dock + larger microSD card.



xMetroid said:

There is no way they are releasing a OLED model to just move on to a new gen soon. Switch pro will def happen sooner or later.

If they release a Pro after OLED, then expect Switch 2 to launch roughly 2 years later, which would, quite simply, suck. I don't want times 2 versions of all their big hitters simply because they are constrained by Switch 1 limitations. I want the next big Mario, the next big Zelda, the next big Mario Kart. I don't want sequels to all those games limited by Switch hardware. They won't seem nearly as fresh or memorable as they would if they were made for Switch 2. As excited as I am by Botw 2, I am far more excited by the Zelda made exclusively for Switch 2. I truly hope SM Odyssey 2 (or whatever the next game is) comes out exclusively on Switch 2. The only games I'm content releasing on the Switch, at this point, are ones that haven't already had versions released so far (Metroid Prime 4, Metroid Dread, Kid Icarus, Star Fox, a new Donkey kong game, etc).



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Well Nintendo denies new hardware iterations often, even when they're working on them or at least considering them. Didn't they say this in 2019, only months before the Switch Lite launched?
If we still somehow get a Switch Pro, it won't be this year. Switch OLED is out in October, and they're not gonna release a Switch Pro in November or December after constantly denying it this late into the year.
2021 was one of the last possible years to release a Switch Pro. Even if the Switch 2 doesn't come out until 2024 (which is likely), a mid-gen power upgrade 5 years after the platform launched is pushing it. I don't think that's ever happened. I know some people see the Game Boy Color as that, which took forever. But I still see the Color as a successor to the original Game Boy.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

The one thing I will say is that the rumours about the Switch "Pro" got some of the info right. So I wouldn't doubt if the next Switch iteration is based off of Lovelace and has DLSS. Lovelace is suppose to debut late next year so realistically, 2023 should be when Nvidia releases their "mobile variants" of their Lovelace GPUs. Of course, going with Lovelace a few months after it releases feels too cutting edge for Nintendo so I can see them waiting a couple of years after it comes out. So at a minimum, I think that a big hardware revision or more likely, the Switch 2 will be out in or after 2023. And around 2023, the "cross gen period" should be over and it should be full steam ahead with next gen games.



                  

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