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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Valve releasing Switch competitor SteamDeck Dec 2021, $399, Zen 2 CPU and RDNA 2 GPU

Not really seeing a big market for this. It's big for a handheld, getting into game gear territory, and the battery life is low for AAA games, even considering portable chargers being available. Memory is also an issue here since games won't be targeted towards its specs as with the Switch. Hades on Steam reccomends 15 GB of Free Space. 5.8 GB on Switch. Doom Eternal is 37GB for single player, compared to 18.8GB on Switch. So, I guess you'll have to be buy a nice size SD card if games run off them.

As a physical console, it's not up to snuff with PS5 or XBox One. We'll see how well it runs games down the line. They may opt to treat this more like a PC and have constant small upgrades, but that would take away one of the key advantages of a console, the simplicity of knowing every game will run on it.

To me, it feels like the market for this is more along the lines of a tablet than a Switch. It's PC, so you can run mostly whatever you want with it. So, it will be great for all your apps and such. It's a bit bigger and clumsier than a tablet, but if you want a tablet that can play games well, that's a reasonable trade off.

The thing with this is that I don't see anything that it does better than any other product. If you happen to need the unique set of capabilities it offers in equal measures than great. But I don't think that's a large market.



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It's a great ambition, and something I support as a PC gamer, but in all honesty I don't see the value in the models that have low storage and no nvme. However still at that price, the fact that requirements of power and space will grow leaves a big question mark on this value proposition. While Gabe says it makes sense to him, he also says that he wants to test the proposition, and that is not a good idea to test on something so risky. The proposition is risky, but whille I know it will flop, I wish it was possible for this to be true.

Also it's on linux so many games won't run on it without massive amount of tweaking, and installing windows will ruin the hardware/software integration experience.

Wishing them all the best but I know it won't take off. PC Gamers like their towers or at the very least s very high-end laptop.



shikamaru317 said:

I just can't get over how utterly ridiculous this picture looks. 



Nice. The modding community could do a lot with this, I wouldn't be surprised if some people would get it primarily for emulation purposes.
Really shines a light on how lacking the switch is hardware wise, $50 more gives you a lot more power to play with. That said 64gb in 2021 for a handheld console is laughable. I don't think this is really a Switch competitor though as it's targeting a different demographic and won't effect Switch sales that much if at all.

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padib said:

It's a great ambition, and something I support as a PC gamer, but in all honesty I don't see the value in the models that have low storage and no nvme. However still at that price, the fact that requirements of power and space will grow leaves a big question mark on this value proposition. While Gabe says it makes sense to him, he also says that he wants to test the proposition, and that is not a good idea to test on something so risky. The proposition is risky, but whille I know it will flop, I wish it was possible for this to be true.

Also it's on linux so many games won't run on it without massive amount of tweaking, and installing windows will ruin the hardware/software integration experience.

Wishing them all the best but I know it won't take off. PC Gamers like their towers or at the very least s very high-end laptop.

A few things to note.

You can install Windows on it if you want to and it will work like a normal PC.

Valve has been working on Proton since I believe 2018 which is a way to get Windows games to work on Linux. If you use the Steam client on Linux, you shouldn't need to tweak anything to get Windows games to run Linux for the majority of the games. Valve also said they are working with Anti Cheat developers to enable Linux compatibility for Windows games that have Anti Cheat engines. According to Valve, by the time Steam Deck comes out, every game on Steam will run on Linux.

The Steam Deck ships with Steam OS 3.0 which runs a custom version of Linux. As a casual user, if you ever used big picture mode on Steam, it will look and function very similar to that. It should be as simple as logging in, hitting the install button to download/install the game and pressing play. Valve is making it very user friendly but you do have access to the full desktop version of Linux if you are a power user.



             

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While it's more powerful than the Switch, for the latter games are getting optimized to run well on the hardware. So not sure they will run better or more beautiful on the steamdeck as I doubt there will be many games optimized for it.

Another question will be battery life. The chip is basically a tweaked Ryzen 7 4700U with a more modern RDNA2 GPU instead of the old Vega GPU, but that still should consume quite a bit more than the Tegra in the Switch does. I honestly don't expect more than 2 hours of battery life except they make it at least as heavy as what the steamdeck also looks like, especially with the button/joystick configuration: The Wii U Gamepad. It seems already quite a bit thicker than the Switch, so I fear weight could be a problem.



I like the idea of this device, but its too big/bulky, its expensive and going for more storage just makes it significantly more expensive.

It won't be a hit per se. But it could kill the GDP Win.



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While it's more powerful than the Switch, for the latter games are getting optimized to run well on the hardware. So not sure they will run better or more beautiful on the steamdeck as I doubt there will be many games optimized for it.

Another question will be battery life. The chip is basically a tweaked Ryzen 7 4700U with a more modern RDNA2 GPU instead of the old Vega GPU, but that still should consume quite a bit more than the Tegra in the Switch does. I honestly don't expect more than 2 hours of battery life except they make it at least as heavy as what the steamdeck also looks like, especially with the button/joystick configuration: The Wii U Gamepad. It seems already quite a bit thicker than the Switch, so I fear weight could be a problem.

Considering IGN had their hands on it and they are able to run Star Wars the Fallen Order on high at I am assuming at least 30fps, this will be much more on par with a base ps4 than anywhere near a switch.

They are also able to run portal for 4 hours at 60fps but higher end games will probably be at that 2 hour mark no doubt. But depending on how you tweak things, you could certainly make it last longer.



             

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I like it better than the Switch since I don't care/play Nintendo exclusive games and do tend to play plenty of PC games. However, I still also don't have a need/want to play games on the go. So I have no need for this either. I'd rather a Steam Laptop than this. Which for obvious reason is just a gaming laptop I can already get anywhere. Which I also would not buy.



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numberwang said:

Switch is less than half the weight and depth which is important for portability.

Battery 2-8hrs means 2 hrs for intense gaming.

Power of ARM will keep X86 handhelds down.

Yep,.... x86 and is probably ~4x performance (of the switch), so ofc its battery life isnt going to be the same.

You will probably have to carry around a extra battery bank, with you, if you plan on useing this thing "on the go" to game with.

Edit:
The GPD Win 3, at 15watts (not it max) can run Yuzu (switch) emulation for ~3 hours.
Its just barely powerfull enough to do Mario Odessey at like 58-60 fps (with a few dips), while something like Paper Mario runs flawlessly smooth.

This Handheld is so much more powerfull, that I suspect, it will run every Switch game, at full speed (even when downclocked, to prolong battery life).
(that the yazu emulator can run).  Again probably only for like 3 hours though. With such a device, you ll just have to get used to carrying around a battery bank.

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