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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Valve releasing Switch competitor SteamDeck Dec 2021, $399, Zen 2 CPU and RDNA 2 GPU

Shiken said:

Remember the Steambox and how they were going to kill the weaker consoles that were already on the market?

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Where Steambox fucked up was allowing multiple companys to make different spec machines and being way over priced for what you got.

This has a number of advantages a perfect price point for the specs that you get lets face it if the Switch pro had to release with the exact same specs as the deck for 399 no one would be complaining.

Its also got that portability factor plus a massive library of games that will work out of the box.

It will be an emulation heaven.

Someone who might of wanted to get into PC gaming now has a super easy entry point.

It can be docked and use as a full fledged PC making it handy if you went to a friends house or traveling for work etc.

If you cant see the advantages this has over the Steambox and how much more appeal this will have you sound like the guys who thought the Switch would fail.

The is room for another handheld and this seems to fill a void that the switch isnt trying to fill and many people like me has been waiting to fill. All reports and news on this thing is positive its mostly only some fans of some consoles who are trying to make it seem like nothing. Imo i think this thing gets advertised right and with word of mouth etc it could do very well not Switch numbers but still good numbers all the same.



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Shiken said:

Remember the Steambox and how they were going to kill the weaker consoles that were already on the market?

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This isn't aimed at killing consoles. Its for people who are into PC and portable gaming. And for people who have extensive Steam libraries or want an emulation beast that can do everything and can take on the go.

This is a mini PC that can act like a console but is open to as much customisation that PC are capable of with none of the restrictions. There are literally 10's of thousands of games playable on this day one (not including emulated games/cloud - thats a pandora's box right there) and is even capable of playing 'next gen' games. For just $50 more than a OLED Switch lol



I don't know if it's going to sell well or flop or end up somewhere in-between. But I will say this: the Steam store is a hell of a leverage point. How many companies have had that sort of library on day one? It's crazy.



zero129 said:
SvennoJ said:

Wow, that's one cool piece of tech. I want to get one just to have version 1 lol.

But I don't really play on handhelds and it's rather awkward to use on TV I imagine.

Pretty easy judging by the videos you can use pretty much any USB dock you might already have or they will be releasing an official one and it will work with any Controllers, keyboards etc that already does on PC. So pretty much when docked it works just like a full fledged PC if you want it to.

Sure, but you'll be running a system targeted at 800p on a 4K screen. For the premium version a small form PC makes more sense. I'll stick to my (stationary) gaming laptop. It never leaves its spot, I just use it to save on space and no 'competition' for use of the tv. Heat is a problem with these though, a cool running gaming laptop is hard to find.

Currently my laptop CPU is 81c, gpu 84c, running FS2020, that's with boost disabled, cpu limited to 2.2 ghz (40% CPU 99% GPU) I'm kinda anxious about the optimizations on the 27th. Might get too hot when it starts to use the rest of my CPU! I wonder how this handheld will handle demanding games.

Anyway it looks very cool, jut the idea of having FS2020 on a handheld!



SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:

Pretty easy judging by the videos you can use pretty much any USB dock you might already have or they will be releasing an official one and it will work with any Controllers, keyboards etc that already does on PC. So pretty much when docked it works just like a full fledged PC if you want it to.

Sure, but you'll be running a system targeted at 800p on a 4K screen. For the premium version a small form PC makes more sense. I'll stick to my (stationary) gaming laptop. It never leaves its spot, I just use it to save on space and no 'competition' for use of the tv. Heat is a problem with these though, a cool running gaming laptop is hard to find.

Currently my laptop CPU is 81c, gpu 84c, running FS2020, that's with boost disabled, cpu limited to 2.2 ghz (40% CPU 99% GPU) I'm kinda anxious about the optimizations on the 27th. Might get too hot when it starts to use the rest of my CPU! I wonder how this handheld will handle demanding games.

Anyway it looks very cool, jut the idea of having FS2020 on a handheld!

Would love to see someone make a video of that on the decks release just so see how well it does handle it. Id also like to see how well it does in them same games when docked and using higher res's with some lower settings.



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Switch is less than half the weight and depth which is important for portability.

Battery 2-8hrs means 2 hrs for intense gaming.

Power of ARM will keep X86 handhelds down.



It's cool and will carve out a niche but I don't see it being super successful.

Stranger things have happened.



Is there more info on the cpu/gpu clock range? Those are some big jumps. Is it by any chance a dock mode and handheld mode? If so we can expect x1 level of performance in handheld and ps4 on docked? That battery life explains some but Still needs more info.

Any ways I see this appealing only to people who already have gaming pc's and have a library. RDNA2 IGPU's are supposed to be coming next year as well as LPDDR5. So this level of performance and probably more will be available in ultra light laptops. and ultra lights already start with 6 cores from AMD.



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Simplified table since most cells are identical

Edit: merging cells doesn't work so the specs for the lower models are identical in the empty cells besides them

Low end model Mid tier model High end model
Price $399 $529 $649
CPU Zen 2 (4 core, 8 thread, 2.4-3.5 GHz, up to 448 GFlops)
GPU RDNA 2 (8 core, 1-1.6 Hz, up to 1.6 TFlops)
RAM  16 GB LPDDR5 (5500 MT/s)
Storage (all models feature SD card slot for more storage) 64 GB eMMC (slowest, PCIe Gen 2 x1) 256 GB NVMe SSD (faster, PCIe gen 3 x4) 512 GB NVMe SSD (fastest, PCIe Gen 3 x4)
Screen 7 inch 1280 x 800 LCD, 400 nits, 60 hz
Battery  40 watt (2-8 hour battery life)
Connectivity  Wi-fi (802.1 a/b/g/n/ac) and Bluetooth 5.0 (no 5G)
Audio Stereo, 3.5m jack, dual array microphone, multi-channel audio over USB C
Size
298mm x 117mm x 49mm
Weight
Approx. 669 grams
Last edited by numberwang - on 15 July 2021

shikamaru317 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Now that I think about it, this is the first handheld that I am aware of that should be more powerful than a base ps4. Now obviously the ps4 is old but hopefully, this means that the Switch 2 will also be more powerful than a base ps4 as that will be releasing even later.

Yeah, the Switch 2 should have something like 2.4 tflop Ampere when docked and 1.2 tflop in handheld mode when it releases in 2023-2024 I would imagine, which would be a good bit above PS4 even in handheld mode. I just hope they do a better job on storage than Valve did here, the base model's storage is quite disappointing, and the expandable storage via the SD card slot seems to be limited to UHS-I, which is nowhere near fast enough to be able to run 9th gen games off of the SD card, you will only be able to use the SD to store games and shuffle them back and forth between the SD card and the internal storage. Nintendo needs an SSD in every Switch 2, and they need to support at least UHS-III SD cards on Switch 2 imo, SD Express on PCIe x1 if they can swing it, so that you can run games directly off the SD card with no need to shuffle games back and forth between SD and the internal storage. 

The switch 2 will need to be closer to PS4 Pro in handheld mode for people to consider it a worthy generational upgrade. The Switch success has paved a way for Nintendo to have hardware longer on the market and hopefully close the gap just a tad with their next gen offering. The WiiU disaster meant the Switch probably come out before they wanted it to and what they hoped it would be in terms of power.