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I view the Switch Pro as something that is a cross being a new iteration and a new generation. The graphics leap will be generational but it will share similar architecture with the previous switch so that its easy to make games for both systems and old games automatically work on the new system.



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If this was the whole year's lineup that'd be one thing, but it can't be emphasized enough that this is just what we know as of less than two months into the year, in a time when games are often announced at short notice, like Crash 4 which was just announced a month out.
Heck, it's possible by the end of the year we may get the new Resident Evil game leaked by the same insider who leaked MH Rise, which he says is similar in budget to RE8.



Soundwave said:

There isn't actually much difference in the list except Capcom has decided to give the Switch 3DS-tier support now instead of just old ports. Well except of course Monster Hunter is not Nintendo exclusive anymore.

Crash Team Racing and things like Octopath Traveller were already on Switch, so that level of support (late Crash 4 port, late Tony Hawk port, new 2D sprite lower budget RPGs from Square-Enix) are kinda par for the course.

Lets see if there are more games like Witcher 3, DOOM Eternal, Mortal Kombat, or Dragon Quest XI's scale, but it would seem those games will become harder to port if the base line becomes the PS5/XBSS. 

Oh the next dragon quest is coming to switch all right, DQ's main market has always been japan.



Chrkeller said:

Why would Nintendo release a switch 2 when sales are so great?

They aren't anytime soon, but there are a few people that act like it needs to happen for major 3rd party game.  This is of course in spite of the fact that the Switch has proven that Nintendo found support without those games anyway, so it is a non factor.

Thats why I myself slate it for 2023-24, because that would be a solid 6-7 years on the market before getting a full successor.  The closer we get to that however, the less likely I see a substantial "pro" upgrade happening as it would be phased out too soon.  Unless it comes this year, the best I can see are smaller upgrades rather than a jump like the PS4 Pro and One X were.



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Chrkeller said:

Why would Nintendo release a switch 2 when sales are so great?

Agreed. If ahave a game company, I will wait for Sony/Microsoft to grow in userbase and launch my games on PS4/XBOXone/Switch/Pc. 

The Microsoft and sony new-gen only in 2023. 



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bowserthedog said:
Jranation said:

What does that mean? Do people think the Switch Pro will get exclusive games and just forget about the 80million (soon to be 100 million)? 

The same type of games that are coming to Switch now will still come to Switch OG.  But more demanding ports will only come to the pro.  Games that wouldn't have run well enough on Switch OG.  So Switch OG won't lose any support. 

Shiken said:
Jranation said:

What does that mean? Do people think the Switch Pro will get exclusive games and just forget about the 80million (soon to be 100 million)? 

Only if Nintendo changes to iterations instead of generations.  Following the NEW 3DS rules...

Like imagine there is a pro, so you have your high end model and the low end base model.  Both models will still get full 1st/2nd party support, but 3rd parties will be allowed to only port to the pro model of power is an issue (if the install base grows enough to support it mind you).

Then a few years later, release another upgrade (call it a pro 2).  The original Switch would then be phased out completely and the old Pro would become the new low end model.  The "Pro 2" would be the high end.

Then basically rinse and repeat till (if/when) the market no longer supports it.  Anything short of that and any upgrade will not abandon the base model at all without a full generational leap, as the install base is just too big.

But as more time passes, this is less and less likely as well.  At this point, I see no substantial upgrade till the Switch 2 in 2023-24.  If 3rd parties still support the base model with having some games with the Switch in mind (like Fenix Rising) and enhanced for the other consoles, or as 3rd party exclusive deals (like MH Rise, MH Stories 2, SMTV, Bravely 2, Resident Evil Outrage, etc) then the current model will have no problem making it that far regardless of what haters think.

I feel like it is still a bad idea and waste resources on porting games for a smaller audience. I would like to be proven wrong if they do decide to make it real. I feel like games like Cyberpunk, MH World, Assassins Creed, and other big 3rd party games that was playable on the PS4 and XB1 will be more suitable to port it for the Switch 2 at its launch year than the Switch Pro. 



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bowserthedog said:

I view the Switch Pro as something that is a cross being a new iteration and a new generation. The graphics leap will be generational but it will share similar architecture with the previous switch so that its easy to make games for both systems and old games automatically work on the new system.

Anyone's individualistic views are pretty irrelevant to what Nintendo will or will not do.

Nintendo have always done "their own thing" irrespective of the market or the consumer.

Keep in mind that games on the Switch are already designed with higher resolutions/graphics and sometimes framerates thanks to the docked mode, which doesn't get used in handheld mode, that is something that can be taken advantage of in the future. - Will Nintendo do it? Who knows.




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curl-6 said:
Nogamez said:

Come on you grasping here, Switch could draw from any console sinnce master system for 3rd party software, what impact would ps5 and XboxSx have on that? None. Swit h can still draw on any smallwr 3rd party game from this gen but it sure as hell aint gonna get the bigger ones is it. RE8? Rdr2? AC valhalla? Cyperpunk? COD? Battlefield? Switch is always gonna get shitty ports of old games with a couple of exceptions. No need to try defend this, its been happening since 2017.

The games you list have never been a staple of Switch's lineup, it simply does not need them. It will continue to do just fine with exclusives, indies, Japanese titles, and ports. PS5/Xbox Series won't change that, so the notion that their arrival would make its third party support vanish was always a baseless assertion.

Agree with you there. Switch will continue to sell well, due to some excellent 1st party titles. The odd 3rd party game like Witcher 3,Doom and Hellblade are always welcome.



The main thing people forget with this topic is that games actually take time to make.  The second that Switch became successful, there was not going to be a huge outpouring of games.  It takes time to properly make a game.

The other thing though, is the timing.  I got this really wrong.  I thought games from handheld series like Bravely Default 2, Rune Factory 5 and Monster Hunter Rise would be on Switch by the end of 2019, but we are only getting them right now.  Here is what I think actually happened:

1. Third parties were unsure about the Switch as a concept before it launched.  "Would it sell more like the Wii U or 3DS?"  That would have been their thinking.  So they waited until after launch to begin development on games that would normally just be the next game in a handheld series like Bravely Default 2.  Remember though that in 2017, it looked like Switch would sell about the same as the 3DS.  That is all they needed to start development on a game like BD2.  These third party games we are getting right now are based on the belief that Switch will sell like the 3DS. 

2.  Development on a brand new Japanese 3rd party title for Switch that is traditionally handheld is about 4 years.  We are just now getting the games that were approved based on sales data from 2017.  Why did it take so long?  Part of the delay is due to COVID.  But I think a bigger part is that handheld developers tend to be smaller.  The power leap going from 3DS to Switch was a lot bigger than the power leap from DS to 3DS.  That has slowed down development a lot.  Either the game will take a long time or it will be rushed and incomplete like Sword/Shield.  That also meant that up until now, 3rd party games were mostly indies and ports, because these games don't take nearly as long to develop.

These games were always on the way though.  The 3DS had plenty of third party exclusives.  Why wouldn't the Switch?

What really blows my mind is that all of these games are based on the belief that Switch will sell like the 3DS.  Last year it became obvious that Switch will actually be Nintendo's #1 or #2 best selling system of all time, totally blowing the 3DS away.  Just imagine how many third party games got green lit for the Switch last year.  The DS had a significantly bigger game library than either the GBA or 3DS, simply because it had a bigger install base.  I'm pretty sure that the 3rd party support Nintendo will get in 2024 will totally put this year's offering to shame, even though this year's third party support puts every previous year to shame.  There are going to be a ton of third party games set for a 2024 release, although some of these might be delayed for Switch 2 or maybe have a cross-gen release.



Pemalite said:
bowserthedog said:

I view the Switch Pro as something that is a cross being a new iteration and a new generation. The graphics leap will be generational but it will share similar architecture with the previous switch so that its easy to make games for both systems and old games automatically work on the new system.

Anyone's individualistic views are pretty irrelevant to what Nintendo will or will not do.

Nintendo have always done "their own thing" irrespective of the market or the consumer.

Keep in mind that games on the Switch are already designed with higher resolutions/graphics and sometimes framerates thanks to the docked mode, which doesn't get used in handheld mode, that is something that can be taken advantage of in the future. - Will Nintendo do it? Who knows.

Im not basing this based on views..  Im basing it on the leaks on Resetera from validated insiders as well as the Nintendo President's recent comments about how times have changed and they no longer view things in terms of fun not being associated with powerful hardware.