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curl-6 said:
Hynad said:

The new systems have been out for 3 months.

Maybe give this some time before calling off anything related to this.

That's the thing though, those forecasting doom never claimed that "support will gradually shift away over the following years" or anything of that nature.

It was always essentially "when PS5/Nextbox release, third party support will vanish/drop off a cliff."

Don't know if I've seen that specific line, but I think there's also a chance you may have misunderstood something?

Because you listed some third party exclusives. And I can't imagine people were referring to that, right?
The reasoning behind such comments would be that it can be more difficult to port games designed with PS5/SX in mind, than it is to port games designed with PS4/XBO in mind.

So in other words, current gen multiplatform games.
There's little to no correlation between PS5/SX and the continued interest in releasing third party Switch exclusives, or ports of older games to all systems, etc.

People can also use terms like "When *insert something* releases", while not meaning the literal launch date.
For example, according to several development studios, we're only now in this year going to start seeing the majority of the effects the pandemic had last year.
And a lot of games coming out in the next year or two began development before PS5/SX were announced.

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Nogamez said:

Come on you grasping here, Switch could draw from any console sinnce master system for 3rd party software, what impact would ps5 and XboxSx have on that? None. Swit h can still draw on any smallwr 3rd party game from this gen but it sure as hell aint gonna get the bigger ones is it. RE8? Rdr2? AC valhalla? Cyperpunk? COD? Battlefield? Switch is always gonna get shitty ports of old games with a couple of exceptions. No need to try defend this, its been happening since 2017.

Just gonna pretend Sony's big game at the State of Play wasn't just a PS4 port of an RPG remake with new DLC?

Step aside, no one needs to defend anything.  Switch's library had more than enough quality content from 1st and 3rd party devs to keep me using my PS4 Pro for only 2-3 games a year.  The majority of my time was on Switch.  Even with gamepass and my XSX, the next couple of months are stacked with games on Switch I will be pre occupied with instead.  The only difference we have seen with the new consoles is more 3rd party exclusives than before, which is far from loss of 3rd party support.

The Switch never needed those big games you listed (most of which are overrated as hell like RDR2) to be a great platform, and that has not changed.  The Switch defends itself just fine.  This entire thread is merely just a response to people who expected a "cliff" that is no where in sight, and clearly that bothers a few people.

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Nogamez said:

Come on you grasping here, Switch could draw from any console sinnce master system for 3rd party software, what impact would ps5 and XboxSx have on that? None. Swit h can still draw on any smallwr 3rd party game from this gen but it sure as hell aint gonna get the bigger ones is it. RE8? Rdr2? AC valhalla? Cyperpunk? COD? Battlefield? Switch is always gonna get shitty ports of old games with a couple of exceptions. No need to try defend this, its been happening since 2017.

Shiken was ahead of me, but yeah, it's always the same kind of titles that people list, but the truth is is that the Switch has more than enough to compensate for over-the-shoulder-grimdark cinematic games it might be missing out on.



And with Switch Pro on the horizon 3rd party support will no longer be a concern.



I remember this narrative being pushed here. There was definitely a fledgling group of people highly invested in the Switch failing. Obviously that narrative has basically disappeared as it became more and more obvious that Switch would be a huge success and potentially even outsell PS4.

That said, there was no way for people to know years ago that this gen would launch so bizarre, with very few next gen only games, and COVID delaying many things. On the flip side though, this has worked out for Switch owners, because rather than just get a lot of PS4/Xbone ports, it’s gotten unique and brand new games. Like the first two you listed, Rise and BD2.



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Triangle Tactics looks amazing, can't wait. As long as Switch software continues to sell, the Switch will continue to get third party support.



Alistair said:

Switch is a mobile device. The DS didn't get killed by the Xbox 360 or the Wii, why would the Switch. I still think the Switch will lose its home audience, but that takes a year. Nobody I know can buy the PS5 or Series X yet (in fact I'm the only person I know with a Series X). Nintendo should do the smart thing and release Breath of the Wild 2 with a new Switch 2, and a new console at the same time, in March 2022.

Why would they do that when it is still selling well?



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The Switch is seeing major support from indies and Japanese 3rd parties. For Western 3rd parties it's good, but it will die down once PS5 and Xbox Series are more readily available (probably starting next year). Indies and Japanese support will continue to be strong.

Of course 3rd party support wasn't going to die down immediately and anyone who thought that has no idea how new console generations start.
In fact the PS4 and Xbox One have more games announced/coming than the PS5 and Xbox Series. A lot of Japanese games are either going Switch only, or PS4 and Switch only.
To list a few games that are PS4/Xbox One with no PS5/Xbox Series version coming this year, Ninja Gaiden Collection, Mass Effect Collection, Neir Replicant, Samurai Warriors 5, etc.
Now a few Japanese games that have a PS4 version with no PS5, Saga Frontier Remastered, Legend of Mana, Akiba's Trip, Star Wars Republic Commando (not Japanese still an example), Disgaea 6, The Caligula Effect, etc.

Seeing these games not coming to PS5/Xbox Series, also the fact like 95%+ off all 9th generation games so far are also on 8th gen makes me think they should have delayed these systems. If it wasn't for backwards compatibility this launch would have been far worse.



Conina said:

Then I'm wondering what changed last year / was better support compared to previous years in your opinion.

If we don't count indie games (even if they are awesome like Hades) and ports of older games as support... what is still remaining as 2020 third party support on Switch?

Which 2020 AA or AAA third party games were released contemporary on Switch and other platforms, not much later than on other platforms? Which 2020 AA or AAA third party games were released exclusive on Switch?

Where are the Switch versions of 8th gen Assassin's Creeds, Call of Duties, Tomb Raiders, Hitmans, Yakuzas, GTA5/RDR2, Jedi Fallen Order...?

I should have made myself clear. Indies totally count as 3rd party and they totally supported Switch since ever

When I wrote my first instance I was talking specifically about non-indie games, that was what I have in mind

Yes I don't understand why 2-old gen ports are counted like "support" when they were mostly outsourced ports who are released for the sake of getting some more coins. I understand support when a studio is actually including development time and effort and including a game in their already existing pipeline

What changed in 2020-2021? Well, we had official announcements for games like Rune Factory 5, Disgaea 6, Shin Megami Tensei V, No More Heroes 3, Genshin Impact, two Monster Hunter games, Crash Bandicoot 4, Plants vs Zombies, a new Lego Star Wars game, also the release of games like Ori 2, Immortal Fenyx Rising, Ninjala, Taiko no Tatsujin, Momotaro, Balan Underworld, Atelier Ryza 2, Persona 5 Strikes, Braverly Default 2, etc

Even if the development of many of those games started as early as 2018 they only become public years later. Meanwhile Sony and MS have studios developing games for PS5 and Series X/S even before they actually had both consoles officially confirmed, that's what support really means imo

Granted, we are talking about something that might be subjective. When I talked about 2020 I was stating my own perception. It was the moment that I realized that Switch 3rd party support was getting healthy and not restricted a very few games like Octopath Traveler or Dragon Quest XI



Soundwave said:

There isn't actually much difference in the list except Capcom has decided to give the Switch 3DS-tier support now instead of just old ports. Well except of course Monster Hunter is not Nintendo exclusive anymore.

Crash Team Racing and things like Octopath Traveller were already on Switch, so that level of support (late Crash 4 port, late Tony Hawk port, new 2D sprite lower budget RPGs from Square-Enix) are kinda par for the course.

Lets see if there are more games like Witcher 3, DOOM Eternal, Mortal Kombat, or Dragon Quest XI's scale, but it would seem those games will become harder to port if the base line becomes the PS5/XBSS. 

I think the Switch 2 will be out before those get released or at least 1 year after it released. 



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