Hiku said:
Majora said:
I didn’t insult anyone or use an insult. Also, I’m not becoming emotional, just stating my opinion, and in no way being rude or insulting. I haven’t given a critique, and also - people are allowed to express an opinion without offering suggestions and solutions. I’m sorry if that concept is uncomfortable to you, but it’s absolutely reasonable and acceptable to state an opinion without offering suggestions and solutions. But, again, I didn’t offer a critique - I made an observation.
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I'm sure just pointing out that you think people here fall under a label that's also applied to actual communists or violent mobs, without explaining why, wasn't meant to ruffle any feathers.
I know you didn't give critique. I was helping you along there, because while you may think that's reasonable to do, we have rules that ask people to explain their positions, and not just state them.
- Do not say that item A sucks, or that item B is better than item C. Give reasons why, and provide evidence (articles, screenshots, technical information, even opinion etc.).
- Explain and justify your opinions. If you have nothing reasonable and/or relevant to add to a topic, then don't post at all.
I’m sorry if that concept is uncomfortable to you.
Majora said:
Generally speaking, I don’t believe anyone who is simply left or right would encourage anyone being cancelled, and I think that they would be able to have civil discussions and utilise nuance, context and critical thinking to formulate ideas and put them across. Anytime I see a statement such as “well, so-and-so is a transphobe therefore cancel” the person has decided so-and-so is a transphobe, reasonably or not, and will not entertain any notion of debate or discussion. It is simply “I feel/ think, therefore”. It’s the wrong way of doing things. It creates division and further dissects society into ever smaller crumbs. We’re getting to the point where I think society is starting to argue over crumbs, and I’m not sure what will be argued about next. People who in the past would have absolutely been considered left wing are now labelled far-right because they don’t hold so-called “progressive” views (in my own personal view, these should be called regressive but hey ho). Many comments in this thread use hyperbolic and emotive language to explain why it’s right this person should be cancelled, and thus cannot be simply left wing. Good arguments can stand up on their own and don’t need to be cancelled/silenced, and when I see people becoming very irate and typically always using the same sort of language and pejoratives to smear people with any slight deviance of opinion, I know I am dealing with people who are very far of left. If you disagree, that is of course your right, but this is my opinion and I stand by this. |
I only recall people saying that Disney, any private company, have a right to fire employees that they do not want to be associated with, and some also agreed that it was a stupid analogy of her to make, etc.
And you're saying this is extreme, but what is the alternative? That they are forced to keep an employee they don't want to associate with? And who would enforce this?
That would be extreme, imo. Firing people you don't want representing your company is standard imo, happens all the time, and often not for reasons related to
I think it’s clear that you become quite personal and rude when you’re dealing with someone you disagree with, so I’ll politely avoid conversation with you moving forward. It’s not that I have nothing to say, but I don’t wish to communicate with a person who isn’t able to discuss without becoming emotional. I also don’t wish to attempt a discussion with a person who ignores what I actually say and only picks up on words or phrases they wish to use to construct a “so what you’re saying” argument. I’ve stated all my points bluntly and simply. You become sarcastic and patronising. If you want examples of that per your rules which I regrettably broke without intention, I can post them, but if I may, I think I would prefer not to continue any further discourse with you.
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