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shikamaru317 said:
Vodacixi said:

The game might make a comeback. CDPR however... I doubt their image will ever recover after all of this.

Considering how many diehard fans CD Projekt has that are continuing to support them during this controversy, I doubt that. Their image still has alot going for them:

  • One of the few developers/publishers that supports DRM free gaming, with their own Steam competitor GOG
  • One of the few developers who still puts goodies into a standard edition game case (things like posters, guide books, and even their soundtracks, which most developers charge separately for)
  • Strongly against singleplayer microtransactions and things like console exclusive DLC or preorder bonus DLC, instead releasing all of the smaller DLC's they design for their games for free
  • Planning to release their upcoming Cyberpunk multiplayer game for free to everybody who buys Cyberpunk singleplayer, something most other publishers these days would charge separately for, considering Cyberpunk's multiplayer has multi-million seller capability and could make alot of money to keep the investors happy

Have they made mistakes? For damn sure. Will it take time for them to recover? You better believe it. Will they eventually fully recover? I think so, as long as the investors don't wrest control from the current board of directors which contains several actual game developers. If CD Projekt ends up getting ran by nothing but suits who care about maximizing profit at the cost of all else (current board made the mistake of trying to please money hungry investors), all of the things that make their image better than other developers/publishers will be gone, and they will just be another money hungry developer like Rockstar and money hungry publisher like EA and Activision. The current board needs to maintain control and do some soul searching and get back to their roots that made them the greatest developer and publisher on the planet, instead of trying to please investors who want nothing more than small budgets and microtransactions for huge profit margins, which would ruin CD Projekt in the eyes of gamers.

Still defending the board? They are nothing but suits who care about maximizing profit at the cost of all else. They decided to go public in the first place to rake in the dough. They decided to go back on their no crunch promises. They decided to cash in on the pre-orders at the cost of all else. "made the mistake of trying to please money hungy investors" They went public 10 years ago, and now they made the mistake of trying to please investors...

The current board needs to retire, that's the only honorable thing to do at this point. They showed they're not up to the job, refused to listen to their teams and only chased the $ sign.

Besides, adding multiplayer to a single player RPG or what was supposed to be an RPG, single player looter shooter, that's so GAAS. Which games charge separately for multiplayer btw? I can't think of any, but don't play any either.

Anyway the only thing they stated about multiplayer was:

“As far as the monetisation of multiplayer for Cyberpunk is concerned, we believe right now it’s definitely too early to share any details on that or give guidance; the project is in a relatively early stage. We keep experimenting – that’s our first multiplayer game. We check various options and possibilities, and it’s definitely not the time to point you to a specific direction on that. Of course you can expect that we won’t change our general policy towards ‘deals with gamers’ so I expect wise monetisation and – always – value for money.”

They don't know yet.



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DroidKnight said:

I was planning on waiting for the newer generation upgrades before I purchased it, but with all the whining and crying out there it makes me want to go ahead and get it now to see what it is that is causing people to have their meltdowns. I'm finding it hilarious.

My brother purchased it a few days ago and is playing it on an Xbox One X and has encountered many bugs and glitches, but tells me he is enjoying the hell out of it. He wasn't expecting all the sexual stuff and had his children in the room when he was doing the character design, LMAO. He is now playing the privacy of his bedroom.

Many of my customers are gamers and also can't wait to get their hands on it. Pure curiosity at this point.

Proves the point, There is no such thing as bad publicity. Cyberpunk will remain in the news, that's what CD PR is good at.



shikamaru317 said:
  • Planning to release their upcoming Cyberpunk multiplayer game for free to everybody who buys Cyberpunk singleplayer, something most other publishers these days would charge separately for, considering Cyberpunk's multiplayer has multi-million seller capability and could make alot of money to keep the investors happy

Is that really a good thing? I mean Rockstar released the GTA multiplayer for free to everybody that bought GTA 5. The result was GTA 5 getting pretty much abandoned while GTA online gets all the attention, support and new content. I wish it had been sold separately!

Considering the Cyberpunk MP probably won't release for a year or two, and DLC is already planned for the main game it may not be the case for this one too. But still, releasing (an IMO inferior) version that may well end up replacing the main game for free isn't exactly a good move from my perspective.



This just shows me Microsoft did the right thing by delaying Halo infinite and of think they should scrap the Xbox one version entirely. I'm glad gamers are not to;wearing buggy games and I hope all software developers start releasing polished games from now on but with companies like EA out there, I doubt it. It is funny though that companies with good reputations suffer more backlash and somehow EA having the rep of being the worst big third party dev see,a to give them a free pass on things. Everyone just says it's EA being EA and the worst that happens is the game doesn't sell as well



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I think people are quick to shoot CDPR down right now as it's the "it thing."

They screwed up massively when they could have held it back and maybe released in Jan / Feb. Maybe they should have scrapped the prev gen versions all together.

There are several issues at play here:

1) CDPR should have delayed or scrapped current gen
2) CDPR should have been honest about last gen versions
3) gamers need to understand that as a next gen game, you are still getting more bang for your buck at £45 with all the free extras that only CDPR bother with. Other developers would treat this as a Delux version and charge £25-30 more.
4) gamers must also come to terms with how fast they are fixing shit and have held up their hands to refund etc. They didn't need to. No one else ever have.
5) we can't as gamers create shitty no win situations by saying well they only refunded because. No developer ever has and no other developer probably ever will. If anything, we are teaching CDPR and every other company not to bother in future if anything such as this happens.

In a world where games like Fallout 76 still exist, EA continue to break laws and continue shitty practices, Rockstar continue to milk with games with sub par gameplay, we can't say shit. We either hold everyone of them equally to account or non of them unless we go down the route of being hypocrites.

They fucked up, it cost them, they may or may not recover. Let them do their job and fix the game, update for next gen (as they said it will be a free upgrade) and revisit again in a year. No Man's Sky ended up better for it, no reason why CDPR can't knowing they are fully capable of it.



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SvennoJ said:
shikamaru317 said:

Considering how many diehard fans CD Projekt has that are continuing to support them during this controversy, I doubt that. Their image still has alot going for them:

  • One of the few developers/publishers that supports DRM free gaming, with their own Steam competitor GOG
  • One of the few developers who still puts goodies into a standard edition game case (things like posters, guide books, and even their soundtracks, which most developers charge separately for)
  • Strongly against singleplayer microtransactions and things like console exclusive DLC or preorder bonus DLC, instead releasing all of the smaller DLC's they design for their games for free
  • Planning to release their upcoming Cyberpunk multiplayer game for free to everybody who buys Cyberpunk singleplayer, something most other publishers these days would charge separately for, considering Cyberpunk's multiplayer has multi-million seller capability and could make alot of money to keep the investors happy

Have they made mistakes? For damn sure. Will it take time for them to recover? You better believe it. Will they eventually fully recover? I think so, as long as the investors don't wrest control from the current board of directors which contains several actual game developers. If CD Projekt ends up getting ran by nothing but suits who care about maximizing profit at the cost of all else (current board made the mistake of trying to please money hungry investors), all of the things that make their image better than other developers/publishers will be gone, and they will just be another money hungry developer like Rockstar and money hungry publisher like EA and Activision. The current board needs to maintain control and do some soul searching and get back to their roots that made them the greatest developer and publisher on the planet, instead of trying to please investors who want nothing more than small budgets and microtransactions for huge profit margins, which would ruin CD Projekt in the eyes of gamers.

Still defending the board? They are nothing but suits who care about maximizing profit at the cost of all else. They decided to go public in the first place to rake in the dough. They decided to go back on their no crunch promises. They decided to cash in on the pre-orders at the cost of all else. "made the mistake of trying to please money hungy investors" They went public 10 years ago, and now they made the mistake of trying to please investors...

The current board needs to retire, that's the only honorable thing to do at this point. They showed they're not up to the job, refused to listen to their teams and only chased the $ sign.

Besides, adding multiplayer to a single player RPG or what was supposed to be an RPG, single player looter shooter, that's so GAAS. Which games charge separately for multiplayer btw? I can't think of any, but don't play any either.

Anyway the only thing they stated about multiplayer was:

“As far as the monetisation of multiplayer for Cyberpunk is concerned, we believe right now it’s definitely too early to share any details on that or give guidance; the project is in a relatively early stage. We keep experimenting – that’s our first multiplayer game. We check various options and possibilities, and it’s definitely not the time to point you to a specific direction on that. Of course you can expect that we won’t change our general policy towards ‘deals with gamers’ so I expect wise monetisation and – always – value for money.”

They don't know yet.

Suffice it to say that I know somebody who knows some of the members of the board. They are nice guys, I'd say Marcin, one of the 2 co-CEO's, is one of the nicest, most down to earth gaming CEO's in the business. Mistakes were made by the them for sure, starting with going public and then with letting their original pro-consumer image slip in favor of keeping their investors happy. Make no mistake, the investors are the root cause of CD Projekt's issues, every mistake the board made was done in a vane attempt to satisfy investors who had ridiculously high expectations for Cyberpunk, they were doomed from the start. They announced the game too early to satisfy investors, decided to support current gen hardware in order to satisfy investors who would not have been ok with a next-gen only small install base release, even though they knew that PS4/XB1 already held back Witcher 3 and would cause even more issues on Cyberpunk. Crunch was done to satisfy investors who wanted the game out early and were tired of the delays, as well as to satisfy gamers who were hungry for the game after multiple delays and an announce that was way too early. Lots of mistakes were made, they dug their own grave. It's just about the biggest shame in the whole gaming industry at the moment, from the best studio (imo) to mid-tier at best. 

But I do believe that the board can turn the ship around if they examine their own mistakes, do some soul searching, and go back to their roots as the most consumer friendly game developer. The worst thing that could happen imo is if the investors wrest control of CD Projekt from the board, replacing the current game developers who are on the board with a bunch of number cruncher suits who care about maximum profit at minimum budget. Then we will basically have just another EA; mictrotransactions, you betcha; games as a service, you better believe it; physical goodies in the game case, those cut into profit margin too much, got to go; singleplayer RPG's, rest in peace.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 29 December 2020

Fei-Hung said:


In a world where games like Fallout 76 still exist, EA continue to break laws and continue shitty practices, Rockstar continue to milk with games with sub par gameplay, we can't say shit. We either hold everyone of them equally to account or non of them unless we go down the route of being hypocrites.

They fucked up, it cost them, they may or may not recover. Let them do their job and fix the game, update for next gen (as they said it will be a free upgrade) and revisit again in a year. No Man's Sky ended up better for it, no reason why CDPR can't knowing they are fully capable of it.

Playing devils advocate here...

We need to judge a game on it's release, not what it "might be" in 12 months time of updates and patches using hopes and prayers that it might get rectified. (Company may abandon it entirely after all.).
If in 12 months the bulk of issues is removed and the game is substantially improved, then a second round of judgement is deserved, but it needs to reflect on the launch issues still.

So whilst yes, CDPR are capable of fixing a game, those who sunk $120 AUD on a game that is inoperable on their device is simple unacceptable and thus CDPR deserve the heavy criticism they get, same goes for any company who does something similar.



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Ka-pi96 said:
shikamaru317 said:
  • Planning to release their upcoming Cyberpunk multiplayer game for free to everybody who buys Cyberpunk singleplayer, something most other publishers these days would charge separately for, considering Cyberpunk's multiplayer has multi-million seller capability and could make alot of money to keep the investors happy

Is that really a good thing? I mean Rockstar released the GTA multiplayer for free to everybody that bought GTA 5. The result was GTA 5 getting pretty much abandoned while GTA online gets all the attention, support and new content. I wish it had been sold separately!

Considering the Cyberpunk MP probably won't release for a year or two, and DLC is already planned for the main game it may not be the case for this one too. But still, releasing (an IMO inferior) version that may well end up replacing the main game for free isn't exactly a good move from my perspective.

I don't think we need to worry about a Rockstar like situation where singleplayer gets abandoned after release with all content being focused on multiplayer. We already know they have both a large set of free DLC's and 2 singleplayer expansions coming before the multiplayer ever releases, pretty much all of 2021 and probably part of 2022 is going to be focused on the main singleplayer game. Starting with a huge amount of bug fixes and optimizations in the promised January and February patches. Then they will start releasing the free DLC's in March probably alongside more patches, with the next-gen optimized versions and the 2 singleplayer expansions releasing later in 2021, 2nd expansion possibly in early 2022. I don't think we'll see the multiplayer release before mid 2022.



shikamaru317 said:

Suffice it to say that I know somebody who knows some of the members of the board. They are nice guys, I'd say Marcin, one of the 2 co-CEO's, is one of the nicest, most down to earth gaming CEO's in the business. Mistakes were made by the them for sure, starting with going public and then with letting their original pro-consumer image slip in favor of keeping their investors happy. Make no mistake, the investors are the root cause of CD Projekt's issues, every mistake the board made was done in a vane attempt to satisfy investors who had ridiculously high expectations for Cyberpunk, they were doomed from the start. They announced the game too early to satisfy investors, decided to support current gen hardware in order to satisfy investors who would not have been ok with a next-gen only small install base release, even though they knew that PS4/XB1 already held back Witcher 3 and would cause even more issues on Cyberpunk. Crunch was done to satisfy investors who wanted the game out early and were tired of the delays, as well as to satisfy gamers who were hungry for the game after multiple delays and an announce that was way too early. Lots of mistakes were made, they dug their own grave. It's just about the biggest shame in the whole gaming industry at the moment, from the best studio (imo) to mid-tier at best. 

But I do believe that the board can turn the ship around if they examine their own mistakes, do some soul searching, and go back to their roots as the most consumer friendly game developer. The worst thing that could happen imo is if the investors wrest control of CD Projekt from the board, replacing the current game developers who are on the board with a bunch of number cruncher suits who care about maximum profit at minimum budget. Then we will basically have just another EA; mictrotransactions, you betcha; games as a service, you better believe it; physical goodies in the game case, those cut into profit margin too much, got to go; singleplayer RPG's, rest in peace.

I'm sorry, but all that proofs is that they're not fit to be CEOs. CEOs are not meant to be yes men. Sadly the investors would be in the right to replace the board. Would you expect to keep your job if you messed up this bad? Shifting blame to the investors is just showing more incompetence, who is in charge of the company?

Someone needs to step down and be replaced with someone who can make the hard decisions and doesn't care about being the popular guy or trying to keep everyone happy until the ship sinks.

Maybe they can turn it around, they haven't showed it so far. Saying yes too fast to refunds created more mess. Promising patches too fast just angered their dev team more. Stop saying yes and stop promising things you might not be able to deliver. That's the first step.

Good luck to them. It's a hard lesson, you can't please everyone in business.



I just hope we won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, CDPR is one of the best, it was just managed very badly on a very hyped game, but the balance of their whole production quality still remains considerably above average. Refunding gamers with unacceptably messy versions of the game is good, replacing the board I don't know, doing it during the troubles could cause more damage, maybe the investors would be better off just suspending them for now and appointing an extraordinary manager until all the mess is sorted out, maybe the best solution could simply be to let the dev team chief decide the schedule for the assigned tasks.
In the future, they must ensure QA will be at the level of their best games, and never let PR hype override it.



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