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KLXVER said:
KratosLives said:

It's a game for crying out loud. You saying that there isn't a difference of emotion to be had from experiencing something first hand rather than reading about it?!! unbelievable...

Well you can watch the game on Youtube. Its like if someone reads a book to you, then you cant have an opinion on the book because you didnt read the book yourself?

Go and explain death stranding to someone. Do you know how many people went on to love the game after first reading about it and having doubts??  Plus it's not all about just watching, sometimes it's feeling it  for youself, and being immersed on your own. Sometimes it's the controls, or the figuring out part for yourself that is completely different to watching someone else do it.  Plus every game seems to have its high and low reviews. You don't know for sure where exactly you will fit in if you don't go in with an open mind and try it yourself. 



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KratosLives said:
KLXVER said:

Well you can watch the game on Youtube. Its like if someone reads a book to you, then you cant have an opinion on the book because you didnt read the book yourself?

Go and explain death stranding to someone. Do you know how many people went on to love the game after first reading about it and having doubts??  Plus it's not all about just watching, sometimes it's feeling it  for youself, and being immersed on your own. Sometimes it's the controls, or the figuring out part for yourself that is completely different to watching someone else do it.  Plus every game seems to have its high and low reviews. You don't know for sure where exactly you will fit in if you don't go in with an open mind and try it yourself. 

So if you watch a game on Youtube and you think "This game looks boring and I hate the story" all the way through. That can all change completely after playing the game for yourself? Just seems like an excuse because you yourself love the game so much. Not saying that is the case, it just kinda comes off that way.

Now TLOU2 is my GOTY, but I still think its interesting to hear from people who didnt like it. Doesnt make the game any less enjoyable to me.



Chazore said:

I almost want to ask people "have you ever tried death?. You can't say much about it unless you've tried it, because I know how batshit crazy that sounds, but that's what "you can't say shit unless you've touched it with two thumbs" sounds to me, as if using those things called eyes and ears aren't something you can use already to determine is something is good or not, let alone the tongue or nose for smelling and tasting.

I can't believe in all my years that I had to actually mention something so glaringly basic, on a site like this.

Imagine ignoring all of history, because it's easy to access and view for everyone to see, but because you didn't take part in a specific era of history, you don't get to judge the rest of history, like for real, that sounds completely fucking asinine and stupid.

What a load of BS.

You are mixing stuff here. You certainly don't need to die to say you don't want to die (same as you can dislike TLOU2 without playing it) But you can't say how is the experience of dying without dying same as you can't review TLOU2 without playing it. And you say you have a big list of flaws as if you really had your list instead of just dumping whatever negative you can find on the subject. And you usually bad mouth console exclusives no matter what.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KLXVER said:
KratosLives said:

Go and explain death stranding to someone. Do you know how many people went on to love the game after first reading about it and having doubts??  Plus it's not all about just watching, sometimes it's feeling it  for youself, and being immersed on your own. Sometimes it's the controls, or the figuring out part for yourself that is completely different to watching someone else do it.  Plus every game seems to have its high and low reviews. You don't know for sure where exactly you will fit in if you don't go in with an open mind and try it yourself. 

So if you watch a game on Youtube and you think "This game looks boring and I hate the story" all the way through. That can all change completely after playing the game for yourself? Just seems like an excuse because you yourself love the game so much. Not saying that is the case, it just kinda comes off that way.

Now TLOU2 is my GOTY, but I still think its interesting to hear from people who didnt like it. Doesnt make the game any less enjoyable to me.

So if I watch someone playing Bloodborne or any souls like game and the person makes a flawless play of the game I can then have the right impression that the game is very easy?

I can bet someone watching it on YT doesn`t have the same level of attention and immersion than someone playing first hand nor the investment on the game.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
KLXVER said:

So if you watch a game on Youtube and you think "This game looks boring and I hate the story" all the way through. That can all change completely after playing the game for yourself? Just seems like an excuse because you yourself love the game so much. Not saying that is the case, it just kinda comes off that way.

Now TLOU2 is my GOTY, but I still think its interesting to hear from people who didnt like it. Doesnt make the game any less enjoyable to me.

So if I watch someone playing Bloodborne or any souls like game and the person makes a flawless play of the game I can then have the right impression that the game is very easy?

I can bet someone watching it on YT doesn`t have the same level of attention and immersion than someone playing first hand nor the investment on the game.

Well then we can never discuss a new game until it releases and we have all played it. If I see a trailer of a new game, I cant say it looks fun. I have to play it to be sure that its fun? I find this a bit silly. We have all been gaming for many years, yet we cant even make up our mind unless we play a game? Like we have zero experience to draw from?



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KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

So if I watch someone playing Bloodborne or any souls like game and the person makes a flawless play of the game I can then have the right impression that the game is very easy?

I can bet someone watching it on YT doesn`t have the same level of attention and immersion than someone playing first hand nor the investment on the game.

Well then we can never discuss a new game until it releases and we have all played it. If I see a trailer of a new game, I cant say it looks fun. I have to play it to be sure that its fun? I find this a bit silly. We have all been gaming for many years, yet we cant even make up our mind unless we play a game? Like we have zero experience to draw from?

Nope, don`t get confused. You can have preliminary impression and even like or dislike what you have seem, but to pretend you done a deep analysis and the game is very flawed and undeserving of praise and prizes based on the youtubers you choose to watch that coincide with being negative is another thing.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
KLXVER said:

Well then we can never discuss a new game until it releases and we have all played it. If I see a trailer of a new game, I cant say it looks fun. I have to play it to be sure that its fun? I find this a bit silly. We have all been gaming for many years, yet we cant even make up our mind unless we play a game? Like we have zero experience to draw from?

Nope, don`t get confused. You can have preliminary impression and even like or dislike what you have seem, but to pretend you done a deep analysis and the game is very flawed and undeserving of praise and prizes based on the youtubers you choose to watch that coincide with being negative is another thing.

Well I disagree. Most people who dont like TLOU2 without having played it, seems to have played and enjoyed the first TLOU. Why wouldnt I think their opinion is valid if they watch a Youtuber go through the sequel? They know the gameplay pretty well. They can see what has been improved about the gameplay. They know the story as well. 



KratosLives said:

It's a game for crying out loud. You saying that there isn't a difference of emotion to be had from experiencing something first hand rather than reading about it?!! unbelievable...

wow, so you're one of those unbelievable asinine who think you cannot judge with eyes and ears?.

Jesus Christ Kratos, jesus...



KLXVER said:

So if you watch a game on Youtube and you think "This game looks boring and I hate the story" all the way through. That can all change completely after playing the game for yourself? Just seems like an excuse because you yourself love the game so much. Not saying that is the case, it just kinda comes off that way.

Now TLOU2 is my GOTY, but I still think its interesting to hear from people who didnt like it. Doesnt make the game any less enjoyable to me.

Some people just have deranged points of view when it comes to something they cherish way too much, that they'll completely forgo rational logic. 

KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

So if I watch someone playing Bloodborne or any souls like game and the person makes a flawless play of the game I can then have the right impression that the game is very easy?

I can bet someone watching it on YT doesn`t have the same level of attention and immersion than someone playing first hand nor the investment on the game.

Well then we can never discuss a new game until it releases and we have all played it. If I see a trailer of a new game, I cant say it looks fun. I have to play it to be sure that its fun? I find this a bit silly. We have all been gaming for many years, yet we cant even make up our mind unless we play a game? Like we have zero experience to draw from?

What get's me, is that we have plenty of users on here that look at gameplay and trailers and they already decide a game is bad or janky or going to flop, before even going with the rules they preach, but in this case it's somehow not allowed.

Last edited by Chazore - on 02 February 2021

KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, don`t get confused. You can have preliminary impression and even like or dislike what you have seem, but to pretend you done a deep analysis and the game is very flawed and undeserving of praise and prizes based on the youtubers you choose to watch that coincide with being negative is another thing.

Well I disagree. Most people who dont like TLOU2 without having played it, seems to have played and enjoyed the first TLOU. Why wouldnt I think their opinion is valid if they watch a Youtuber go through the sequel? They know the gameplay pretty well. They can see what has been improved about the gameplay. They know the story as well. 

The gameplay is quite different than the first TLOU1, and most criticism comes to the story and implementation that someone just watching other playing don`t really pay attention and the points that these guys usually bring isn`t flaws but really things they didn`t like (which is fine) but to claim their are flaws and therefore doesn`t deserve the prize is wrong on that end.

In VGC we have seem many "I loved TLOU1, watched TLOU2 on youtube and hate it" that still think Abby is a transsexual for example.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."