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JRPGfan said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty crazy how well PS5 is doing against the Series X so far. Idk what's up with the Series X that's causing it to under perform but MS really needed to hit a home run on the power aspect as that has been their main motto. Especially with Halo being delayed. We will see how it does in the future but the PS5 is doing much better than I expected!

People are saying its "the tools" fault.
So just give MS a year or so to fix the tools, and then future games releases (2022+) will probably look better.

*IF* this is even the case (we dont know if its actually the toolkits fault), the fact that it might go on like this for a few years... its a bad look.
Esp when your marketed your machine as "the most powerfull console ever" ect.

Bandorr said:
Every review feels the same. "PS5 did it better. Xbox has VRR".Didn't they mention it may have a bug or something in there? I think the observer also had issues? Kinda feels like the Xbox versions of these games just weren't ready yet.


DF said the PS5 version has a slight bug with SDR.
It causes it to be abit darker than it should be (not much), but it potentially cruches a few details in super dark area's.
Oddly enough, DF said they still prefer this "bug"'s look, ei. the higher contract and darker darks.

It probably is a least some a tools thing. They just didn't seem ready for this gen or these games. That said that assumes that Sony has A) 100% affinity with their tools from day one and B) assume they will not improve, change, or update their tools.

Both companies will improve so I'm not sure the "difference" will actually ever change.

Quoting from a different forums opinion of the video "- Cars detail, geometric detail, grass, tessellation, environmental geometry takes a big hit on Xbox consoles.
- DF theorizes this is likely a bug. They have been told the developers are looking into it."

I haven't watched the video. I probably won't. I'm not getting Dirt 5 so I can't find the interest into listening to them discuss it.



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JRPGfan said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty crazy how well PS5 is doing against the Series X so far. Idk what's up with the Series X that's causing it to under perform but MS really needed to hit a home run on the power aspect as that has been their main motto. Especially with Halo being delayed. We will see how it does in the future but the PS5 is doing much better than I expected!

People are saying its "the tools" fault.
So just give MS a year or so to fix the tools, and then future games releases (2022+) will probably look better.

*IF* this is even the case (we dont know if its actually the toolkits fault), the fact that it might go on like this for a few years... its a bad look.
Esp when your marketed your machine as "the most powerfull console ever" ect.

Bandorr said:
Every review feels the same. "PS5 did it better. Xbox has VRR".Didn't they mention it may have a bug or something in there? I think the observer also had issues? Kinda feels like the Xbox versions of these games just weren't ready yet.


DF said the PS5 version has a slight bug with SDR.
It causes it to be abit darker than it should be (not much), but it potentially cruches a few details in super dark area's.
Oddly enough, DF said they still prefer this "bug"'s look, ei. the higher contract and darker darks.

Pretty much. If I had to guess as it's not just the Series X being on par with ps5 but rather behind, the extra CUs are probably not being used, least not to their full potential. And if that's the case, the much lower clock speed would explain why the Series X seems to be behind more often than not. MS really needs to start getting this under control since it's making their power marketing look like a joke.

One things clear though and that's the fact that Cerny and PS team was ready and MS was not.



             

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So from what I've just watched, PS5 seems to beat out the XSX in EVERY category except in the 120FPS mode, it has a weird portion of dips down to the 80's but only for that first part of the first track you play, the next one was a solid 120FPS while maintaining higher graphical fidelity.

Hopefully the XSX will get some sort of patch here or something, because it's really not looking too good for Microsoft when they spent so long advertising the XSX as the most powerful console, yet every head to head Digital Foundry have done has shown the PS5 comes out on top... gotta' say it's quite baffling, but it's still early days in the gen, just look how it went for PS3/360, lol.

On another note, the game really does look good and fun, and it was almost like watching a Driveclub video... then I remembered that the majority of the staff from Evolution moved to Codemasters anyway, so that's probably why. I've only ever played one Dirt game before, got it free with a graphics card some time ago, but I'm actually considering buying this once I finally get a PS5.

Last edited by Bristow9091 - on 21 November 2020

This is becaming concerning , i fucking hate screen tearing and in the ps4 era this was not a problem in any game i played



 

JRPGfan said:
jenpol said:

Wow, at 10 to 12 min the xbox sX version is missing a lot of foliage and the cars assets are low poly. Why?

They do that to reach 120fps on the XSX.
They couldnt do it, with the same image quality as the PS5, so they lowered settings, to get FPS up.

Thats why cars look like this in that mode:

Did you read that somewhere? DF also outright said they think its either a bug or a mistake, its not realistic to assume that this is representative of the power difference between the X and PS5. It seems like Series X is running the profile of a another Xbox System in terms of details, potentially the S but maybe even One X. All just speculation but nothing we've seen on paper would warrant this degree of difference between the platforms



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Bristow9091 said:
So from what I've just watched, PS5 seems to beat out the XSX in EVERY category except in the 120FPS mode, it has a weird portion of dips down to the 80's but only for that first part of the first track you play, the next one was a solid 120FPS while maintaining higher graphical fidelity.

Hopefully the XSX will get some sort of patch here or something, because it's really not looking too good for Microsoft when they spent so long advertising the XSX as the most powerful console, yet every head to head Digital Foundry have done has shown the PS5 comes out on top... gotta' say it's quite baffling, but it's still early days in the gen, just look how it went for PS3/360, lol.

On another note, the game really does look good and fun, and it was almost like watching a Driveclub video... then I remembered that the majority of the staff from Evolution moved to Codemasters anyway, so that's probably why. I've only ever played one Dirt game before, got it free with a graphics card some time ago, but I'm actually considering buying this once I finally get a PS5.

I wouldnt even give it to the XSX on the 120hz mode.
The sacrifices it has to image quality, even if theres a track where it runs better on, for a little while.... its not worth the trade off.

Basically all 3 modes run better on PS5 imo, going from this video.

Last edited by Bristow9091 - on 21 November 2020

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
This is becaming concerning , i fucking hate screen tearing and in the ps4 era this was not a problem in any game i played

I think running at 60fps it only happen at the top of the screen which is often the sky, i couldn't notice it with the naked eye but yeah its weird that a problem that was mostly eliminated last gen with PS4/X1 is suddenly having a huge comeback on $500 machines lol



JRPGfan said:

Bristow9091 said:
So from what I've just watched, PS5 seems to beat out the XSX in EVERY category except in the 120FPS mode, it has a weird portion of dips down to the 80's but only for that first part of the first track you play, the next one was a solid 120FPS while maintaining higher graphical fidelity.

Hopefully the XSX will get some sort of patch here or something, because it's really not looking too good for Microsoft when they spent so long advertising the XSX as the most powerful console, yet every head to head Digital Foundry have done has shown the PS5 comes out on top... gotta' say it's quite baffling, but it's still early days in the gen, just look how it went for PS3/360, lol.

On another note, the game really does look good and fun, and it was almost like watching a Driveclub video... then I remembered that the majority of the staff from Evolution moved to Codemasters anyway, so that's probably why. I've only ever played one Dirt game before, got it free with a graphics card some time ago, but I'm actually considering buying this once I finally get a PS5.

I wouldnt even give it to the XSX on the 120hz mode.
The sacrifices it has to image quality, even if theres a track where it runs better on, for a little while.... its not worth the trade off.

Basically all 3 modes run better on PS5 imo, going from this video.

I mean, to be honest I'm never gonna' be playing at 120FPS anyway, my tele doesn't go that high, and PS5 seems to outperform in both the 60FPS modes so it's a done deal for who I think the winner is.

Also just realised when you quoted me, my paragraphs didn't split properly because I was using quick reply, that's annoying... gonna' edit my post to put them back in so it's not messy, lol

Edit: There we go... also edited it in the quote trees too because it was annoying me :P



Otter said:
JRPGfan said:
jenpol said:

Wow, at 10 to 12 min the xbox sX version is missing a lot of foliage and the cars assets are low poly. Why?

They do that to reach 120fps on the XSX.
They couldnt do it, with the same image quality as the PS5, so they lowered settings, to get FPS up.

Thats why cars look like this in that mode:

Did you read that somewhere? DF also outright said they think its either a bug or a mistake, its not realistic to assume that this is representative of the power difference between the X and PS5. It seems like Series X is running the profile of a another Xbox System in terms of details, potentially the S but maybe even One X. All just speculation but nothing we've seen on paper would warrant this degree of difference between the platforms

DF downplayed everything (they have a slight xbox bias, but have enough integratity to atleast not misslead).
Also supposedly they called to confirm findings, before releaseing the video (they mention this in the video).
If they where unsure, they should have asked them.

Why is DF "speculateing" about it being a bug or mistake of somesort? When they apparently talked to the devs, who confirmed what they found is how the game is runnings.

We dont know why the game runs like this on the xbox version, and DF apparently didnt bother asking (great journalism).
We cant rule out, that the devs made trade offs, to get it running better on the XSX (at the cost of image quality).

Why would they do that? is it prepresentative of the power differnce?
No, but again, maybe this is because of the tools. Maybe with their toolkit issues, they had to go this route to get it running smoothly at 120fps.


Also DF didnt mention anything about the Dual Sense.
The haptic feedback ect, is supposed to be decent for this game (apparently devs took time to redo it).

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 21 November 2020

Thats what MS gets for getting their dev kits out so late. Lack of proper optimization time coupled with covid really shows here. 2021 will be much more interesting, when it comes to these face offs.



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