Yet what happen in France is they mocking the prophet, slandering, and ridiculed the prophet based on false accusation 

Not at all , I am not offended by anyone in here on this thread  , my comment is about why Macron defending free speech but at the same time what he did is not protecting free speech at all. 

That's your opinion,  I respect that, but for me and Muslim . Religion is part of life and death. And Muslim believe there is life after death.

Again this your opinion, we are not here to discuss a religion,  but moral according to their own rule. We can discuss on another thread discussing about which one is correct.

Again, this will lead to a bigger discussion, so i will end the discussion here. 

Again this is debatable, we are not here to discuss which one is correct way and methode 

Again this debatable but for sure, but don't forget many has been killed in the name of atheism like Marxism, and etc. 

Muslim has been living on non Muslim place since the day of the prophet, they spreading in China, Europe, Asia and etc. Under non Muslim ruled country  . Islam teach to respect the local rule . 

Again this will create another debate out of this topic. I will end here

Qur'an never  changed, in fact Arabic grammatical word came from Qur'an. Before Qur'an exist the Arab did not have grammar

Again the shia is not Muslim because they don't believe in Qur'an  but that's for another topic. They are minority who reject Islam as teaching but pretend to be Islam, but in reality they rejecting to believe of the Qur'an and prophet words, they even killing many Muslim 

that's not evidence at all, that just opinion  by shia. The Qur'an are still the same , the same words the same language, the same meaning unlike Bible that has been lost it's original language . The Qur'an has been translate to many language but the original Qur'an it self still preserve on original form "Arabic" . While it's true there is many dialect but the dialect never altered it's meaning and it still the same, even you can find the Qur'an that written in the stone from the prophet era. 

Did Muslim kill every person on the street, or it just one person misguided?  The fact that Muslim are killed by the Rohingya, execute on India,  prove the other way Around, Muslim always been attacked , they should be the one attacking if your idea is true then Muslim the one who always rage a war.  

I am never said Islam always peace and love, there is some exception boundary and reason, that's why Islam can coexist with modern society. We can defend our self if it means killing people like any modern society  

Ok so they can kill people in the war . :) 

My religion is not wrong, you can blame me but not my religion. The person who killed are not following the correct Islamic teaching .  The religion is perfect,  it  even help a barbaric un educated group of people living on the dessert far form civilization to be civilize, helping Europe gaining renaissance era.  When the Muslim spread on Europe . They help build the country unlike Mongol .

“You ˹polytheists˺ may travel freely through the land for four months, but know that you will have no escape from Allah, and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.”¹

^{A declaration from Allah and His Messenger ˹is made˺ to all people on the day of the greater pilgrimage1 that Allah and His Messenger are free of the polytheists. So if you ˹pagans˺ repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, then know that you will have no escape from Allah. And give good news ˹O Prophet˺ to the disbelievers of a painful punishment.}

^{As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.}

^{But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them,1 capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.}

And if anyone from the polytheists asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them so they may hear the Word of Allah, then escort them to a place of safety, for they are a people who have no knowledge.

How ˹can they have a treaty˺? If they were to have the upper hand over you, they would have no respect for kinship or treaty. They only flatter you with their tongues, but their hearts are in denial, and most of them are rebellious.

They chose a fleeting gain over Allah’s revelations, hindering ˹others˺ from His Way. Evil indeed is what they have done!

They do not honour the bonds of kinship or treaties with the believers. It is they who are the transgressors.

But if they repent, perform prayer, and pay alms-tax, then they are your brothers in faith. This is how We make the revelations clear for people of knowledge.

But if they break their oaths after making a pledge and attack your faith, then fight the champions of disbelief—who never honour their oaths—so perhaps they will desist.

Will you not fight those who have broken their oaths, conspired to expel the Messenger ˹from Mecca˺, and attacked you first? Do you fear them? Allah is more deserving of your fear, if you are ˹true˺ believers.

˹So˺ fight them and Allah will punish them at your hands, put them to shame, help you overcome them, and soothe the hearts of the believers—

Do you ˹pagans˺ consider providing the pilgrims with water and maintaining the Sacred Mosque as equal to believing in Allah and the Last Day and struggling in the cause of Allah? They are not equal in Allah’s sight. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

O believers! Do not take your parents and siblings as trusted allies if they choose disbelief over belief. And whoever of you does so, they are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If your parents and children and siblings and spouses and extended family and the wealth you have acquired and the trade you fear will decline and the homes you cherish—˹if all these˺ are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and struggling in His Way, then wait until Allah brings about His Will. Allah does not guide the rebellious people.”

Indeed Allah has given you ˹believers˺ victory on many battlefields, even at the Battle of Ḥunain¹ when you took pride in your great numbers, but they proved of no advantage to you. The earth, despite its vastness, seemed to close in on you, then you turned back in retreat.

Then Allah sent down His reassurance¹ upon His Messenger and the believers, and sent down forces² you could not see, and punished those who disbelieved. Such was the reward of the disbelievers.

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Yeah this is a snippet of a controversial part, do you acknowledge this can be used as a tool of extremism?

Bolded: Why not make an effort to not let people be misguided, is fingerpointing the most important or the effort?

I’d counter that these laws from Judaism, Christianity and Islam were written when life was harsh and its laws reflected that. We have evolved as a species and as such the laws have largely changed since 1500+ years ago. I’m just gonna say if people of your faith believe saying words equals death, or chopping off heads is even considered as a punishment, then maybe you need some type of reform. 

Our faith and belief doesn’t change. How we conduct ourselves as people should however adapt with the times. 

Yes indeed Islam when it was reveal was in the harsh condition where people who lived where living in tribal age and far from civilization, and constant tribal war. But then again the prophet still continue receiving Qur'an revelations after The prophet won the battled and the prophet ended the war. The prophet still receiving the revelation and guided by God in peaceful era . Even when The prophet still in exodus in Madinah , The prophet living peaceful life with Non Muslim and doing business and transaction and deal with Jews, pagans and some Christian in Medina. 

So Qur'an has teach us in many condition etc.

Also Qur'an are not written by Muhammad , there is no Muhammad opinion or idea inside Qur'an. Even the prophet has very less name on it . inside the Qur'an is purely God revelation that God speak to the person who read from first person perspective. Muhammad is just messenger that cannot read, nor write. How come he able to write a fantastic book that lead a backward society and tribal people to be the most influential cavillation also lead the modern technology and civilization  until now. Nor human able to do that, because indeed the book are not written by person (Muhammad) 

Good. They are entitled to do so.

Our job isn't to shut down people we disagree with, our job is to counter their points with sound logical reasoning and evidence.

Why they are entitled to mocking, Libeling,  Defamation  the prophet ??? Isn't the free speech cannot contain defamation, libel, and mocking,  ridiculing's or insulting a person ??? 

The problem is what happen in France is  not about critique or opinion,  but defaming , ridiculing's and insulting based on false acquisition that are not even unproven historically.  

You talk about logic and reasoning but in really insulting, mocking and defaming is what really happen and it's againts free speech.

Again. Free speech has a ton of restrictions.

Libel/Defamation being one such example.

Yet you don't understand that what happen in French is not frees speech, it's full of insulting, defamation to the prophet.    

I don't care what Muslims or any religion believes.
There is zero evidence to support the assertion that there is life after death.

But what there is evidence for is life right now and that needs to come first.

If religion is incompatible with that, then I believe religion needs to go, life comes first, then property, then the environment, that is the hierarchy us first responders abide by.

Well you ether agree to disagree, people have right to choose, or  to believe or not, I am not here to convince you. I am just here to give you a reason we have different opinion, different faith and different believe. 

And agree there is zero evidence to support the assertion of life after death and overwhelming  evidence off life, that is indisputable and i agree. That because we are living on presents life while we are living and breathing, eating and interacting.

No one can prove life after death because no one from death able to back to life. And no one can prove if because no science able to do that based  on " human knowledge " that is limited by  "small brain ". That sometimes can be correct, but most of the times incorrect.

That's why we are not depending on "human " science alone, human are fragile, weak, can be sick, and limited by age, their small IQ, their desire and their needs. Human is not omnipotent. 

Well no. We are here to discuss religion within the context of the title and the Op.

The religious "morals" (I use that term loosely... As any religion that promotes discrimination, hate, death penalty has no morals.) are a part of the religious structure.

Which is incorrect , Islam does not promotes hates, death penalty, without any reasoning and cause. I can prove you many modern ideology is far worse than that. Tell that to Marxism and communisms . Also tell that to world war1 and world war 2 where secularism ideology lead to genocide 

The context of the OP is not about proving religion right  or not . PERIOD, make another thread 

But nice try deflecting.

I have acknowledged that you have conceded this point due to the evidence presented.

I have a lot evidence but evidence will not able convinced people even if the evidence is right and can be proven by scientific method especially people like you who look dawn people opinion. 

And thus showing you million of evidence is useless to people like you, go outside and speak to local mosque (Masjid) and asked Muslim that living in your place 

It's really not debatable, it's logic. Again, I will acknowledge that you have conceded this point due to the evidence presented.

You talking about logic this and logic that. But there is no logic on ridiculing's Muslim and respecting other people idea. You just egoistic . If you want evidence just search more on Internet, visit local masjid, read book about  " The Bible, the Qur'an and Science: The Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of Modern Knowledge " 

I think you are confused.

Marxism is political and economical theories, not a religious position.

Atheism isn't actually a disbelief in a God or Gods, Atheism is about not holding a religious position because the burden of proof hasn't been met for certain religious claims.

Everyone is actually born Atheist, it's only later that indoctrination's like Islam converts them.

So basically this is a goal-post shifting logical fallacy.

I am not confused, Marxism is not just political and economical believe, it's more than that. Every law, moral, way of life  are born from ideology it can be from philosophy or from religion. All of that came from human idea. The same with Marxism where Religion is burden to people.

Atheisms is not believe in God , the prove is people like you who don't believe on greater power and omnipotent existent then human. 

This your goal shifting logical fallacy from discussing free speech to arguing about which one is the correct one. 

Again. I don't disagree with that.

What a short answer , yet you cannot explain and elaborate . But I am fine I am here not looking for debate. you are not importunate to waste my time for that . You can search on Internet that history of  Islam on Internet.

There is nothing to debate. There is no evidence to support your position.

There is nothing to debate because you are trying move the goal post. Stop moving the goal post Mr. moderator

You keep saying this, but the evidence I have presented prior has determined that this is a lie.

you are giving me a web link yet your self are not reading  the article, Show me which part of Qur'an that has been altered? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam

And I quote:
"Shia Islam is the second largest branch of Islam: as of the late 2000s, Shia Muslims constituted 10–15% of all Muslims.^[10] Twelver Shia is the largest branch of Shia Islam,^[11] with 2012 estimates saying that 85% of Shias were Twelvers."

They are Muslims. Meaning this is another falsehood you are trying to propogate.

Tell me how to define Muslim as a Muslim ? I am asking you because you just copied the article without knowing  " what is the meaning of Islam " and "Muslim"

For example; There are many people who can claim they are "American or US citizen" but they are not American based on US law

The same thing can be explain with the shia,

False. The evidence is there. Read it.

It's literally comparing different interpretations of the Qur'an. Meaning the words, language and interpretations are different.
The fact you are trying to argue this point despite the evidence shows you have a confirmation bias which is also a logical fallacy.

None of the article were correct. because Arabic is only one , alto it has many dialect the meaning are the same, even if it has Persian dialect, Moroccan dialect, Mecca  the meaning of are the same. Arabic is still Arabic. For example The words  " Kitabun " in many dialect are the same "book" . The Qur'an has it's own Arabic that are not changed. Arabic words and language  is evolving I agree and it can be proven by literation on many generation . But The Qur'an it self are not because . The Qur'an were written on it's own Qur'anic words that even the Arab did not understand until it was explained by the prophet Him self. 

Thus claiming the Qur'an has been  " changed/altered  " because "the Arabic words/language and literature  " evolving is just false and wrong.  language and literature  is evolving that's true, but The Qur'an is not simple Arabic, and persevered on it's own way. The evidence we still have the first Qur'an written on the stone still exist till this day. I dare you to look at the Internet. It still the same 

You don't need every Muslim to kill someone. You just need "enough" for there to be a systemic issue of violence... And let's face it. There absolutely is a systemic issue with religious extremism and violence and thus religion should be shut down until it can reform and become better.

I don't want Islam in my country anymore than I want Christianity or Judaism or any other religion, don't think I am targeting Islam alone in this, far from it.

Then that's unrealistic, because even outside  religion context you will find many country law , rule, and ideology that allowing someone to kill or someone allow people to be punish  to death. 

Like I said Islam is perfect because it can live on old society where war is happen but at the same time it has law and rule to live in peaceful society.

For example " In Islam  We can kill animal if want to consume it, but we cannot killed the animal by torturing it". That's logical, it's funny you insist logic but at the same time you insist "Islam is not based on logic" . Or perhaps you believe that animal will die in your hand without even killed . ROFL 

The last several decades has proven it really can't.

Which one??? Elaborate more, you did not show any evidence nor any explanation when and where.   

You are confusing the death penalty with self defense or a countries right to self determination.

They are completely different things with completely different causes, purposes and goals.

You may need to do some research to get an understanding on the differences.

I will use you own words for islam

" you are confusing the death penalty with self defense or a religion right to self determination.

They are completely different things with completely different causes, purposes and goals.

You may need to do some research to get an understanding on the differences. " 

Prove it's not wrong. Stop using opinions and actually prove it. Go ahead, try. Please. You can do it, you got this.

The religion is far from perfect with it's hateful verses that seems to be a common theme with all abrahamic religions, they use the power of fear to subdue people to conforming to an indoctrinated way of life that I believe is incompatible with a modern, equal, highly advanced, respectful, democratic society.

Hmm, highly advance democratic??? but with this ideology   many people were killed in war under democratic ideology. 

Equal really ???  many racism happen on what so called democratic country.

Modern really ??? many woman living on modern society  wearing half cloth like primitive stone age

respectful really ??? many modern society disrespect Muslim , disrespecting Islam tradition, disrespecting way of life and  disrespecting Islamic ideology, yes even they disrespecting the prophet. The thread it self is the evidence and macron it self is the "prove" 

pathetic with this false claim that modern society can live without religion. PERIOD 

also about my prove about my religion ,   " can you prove the inside of black hole, or  prove what is beyond our universe, can you prove the theory of everything ???"

No, until now none of scientist able to prove they hypothesis about those , but does the scientist believe with their theory ??? Yes they believe. Even until know none of the theory were correct and an proven.

The same thing with Islam, you cannot just prove with limited human understanding, just because human cannot grasp the knowledge because of their small brain and small IQ does not mean is false. 

And yes Religion use the power of fear to subdue people , I agree. But you forget that  religion also use the power of reward and comfort and reasoning (at least in Islam there is punishment there is also reward and reasoning) . And all of that are very human because human cannot escaped from that thread. Human are species' that  fear of power and love reward. Human cannotesisct without that you will find that in modern society where people are afraid of loosing job, fear of not eat, fear of not love, and fear of getting into jail , fear of sick and fear of not having comfort life.

Because religion are exist for guide humanity to live in  " this world " and here after.   

The history lesson doesn’t address what I said. I said through the ages to modern times, our faith and devotion remains the same. However I think as a species we moved past the point of killing people for saying “words”. 

But that is not the fault of the religion. The criminals were acting not based on any religion.  For this matter he claim, he acted because of his love to the prophet. This is false accusation. The prophet never allowed Muslim killing non Muslim without urgency reason or even if the non Muslim is wrong they still cannot act by him self and need to consult to local authority and judge by the local court .