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HollyGamer said:

Yet what happen in France is they mocking the prophet, slandering, and ridiculed the prophet based on false accusation 

Good. They are entitled to do so.

Our job isn't to shut down people we disagree with, our job is to counter their points with sound logical reasoning and evidence.

HollyGamer said:

Not at all , I am not offended by anyone in here on this thread  , my comment is about why Macron defending free speech but at the same time what he did is not protecting free speech at all. 

Again. Free speech has a ton of restrictions.

Libel/Defamation being one such example.

HollyGamer said:

That's your opinion,  I respect that, but for me and Muslim . Religion is part of life and death. And Muslim believe there is life after death.

I don't care what Muslims or any religion believes.
There is zero evidence to support the assertion that there is life after death.

But what there is evidence for is life right now and that needs to come first.

If religion is incompatible with that, then I believe religion needs to go, life comes first, then property, then the environment, that is the hierarchy us first responders abide by.

HollyGamer said:

Again this your opinion, we are not here to discuss a religion,  but moral according to their own rule. We can discuss on another thread discussing about which one is correct.

Well no. We are here to discuss religion within the context of the title and the Op.

The religious "morals" (I use that term loosely... As any religion that promotes discrimination, hate, death penalty has no morals.) are a part of the religious structure.

But nice try deflecting.

HollyGamer said:

Again, this will lead to a bigger discussion, so i will end the discussion here. 

I have acknowledged that you have conceded this point due to the evidence presented.

HollyGamer said:

Again this is debatable, we are not here to discuss which one is correct way and methode 

It's really not debatable, it's logic. Again, I will acknowledge that you have conceded this point due to the evidence presented.

HollyGamer said:

Again this debatable but for sure, but don't forget many has been killed in the name of atheism like Marxism, and etc. 

I think you are confused.

Marxism is political and economical theories, not a religious position.

Atheism isn't actually a disbelief in a God or Gods, Atheism is about not holding a religious position because the burden of proof hasn't been met for certain religious claims.

Everyone is actually born Atheist, it's only later that indoctrination's like Islam converts them.

So basically this is a goal-post shifting logical fallacy.

HollyGamer said:

Muslim has been living on non Muslim place since the day of the prophet, they spreading in China, Europe, Asia and etc. Under non Muslim ruled country  . Islam teach to respect the local rule . 

Again. I don't disagree with that.

HollyGamer said:

Again this will create another debate out of this topic. I will end here

There is nothing to debate. There is no evidence to support your position.

HollyGamer said:

Qur'an never  changed, in fact Arabic grammatical word came from Qur'an. Before Qur'an exist the Arab did not have grammar

You keep saying this, but the evidence I have presented prior has determined that this is a lie.

HollyGamer said:

Again the shia is not Muslim because they don't believe in Qur'an  but that's for another topic. They are minority who reject Islam as teaching but pretend to be Islam, but in reality they rejecting to believe of the Qur'an and prophet words, they even killing many Muslim 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam

And I quote:
"Shia Islam is the second largest branch of Islam: as of the late 2000s, Shia Muslims constituted 10–15% of all Muslims.[10] Twelver Shia is the largest branch of Shia Islam,[11] with 2012 estimates saying that 85% of Shias were Twelvers."

They are Muslims. Meaning this is another falsehood you are trying to propogate.

HollyGamer said:

that's not evidence at all, that just opinion  by shia. The Qur'an are still the same , the same words the same language, the same meaning unlike Bible that has been lost it's original language . The Qur'an has been translate to many language but the original Qur'an it self still preserve on original form "Arabic" . While it's true there is many dialect but the dialect never altered it's meaning and it still the same, even you can find the Qur'an that written in the stone from the prophet era. 

False. The evidence is there. Read it.

It's literally comparing different interpretations of the Qur'an. Meaning the words, language and interpretations are different.
The fact you are trying to argue this point despite the evidence shows you have a confirmation bias which is also a logical fallacy.

HollyGamer said:

Did Muslim kill every person on the street, or it just one person misguided?  The fact that Muslim are killed by the Rohingya, execute on India,  prove the other way Around, Muslim always been attacked , they should be the one attacking if your idea is true then Muslim the one who always rage a war.  

You don't need every Muslim to kill someone. You just need "enough" for there to be a systemic issue of violence... And let's face it. There absolutely is a systemic issue with religious extremism and violence and thus religion should be shut down until it can reform and become better.

I don't want Islam in my country anymore than I want Christianity or Judaism or any other religion, don't think I am targeting Islam alone in this, far from it.

HollyGamer said:

I am never said Islam always peace and love, there is some exception boundary and reason, that's why Islam can coexist with modern society. We can defend our self if it means killing people like any modern society  

The last several decades has proven it really can't.

HollyGamer said:

Ok so they can kill people in the war . :) 

You are confusing the death penalty with self defense or a countries right to self determination.

They are completely different things with completely different causes, purposes and goals.

You may need to do some research to get an understanding on the differences.

HollyGamer said:

My religion is not wrong, you can blame me but not my religion. The person who killed are not following the correct Islamic teaching .  The religion is perfect,  it  even help a barbaric un educated group of people living on the dessert far form civilization to be civilize, helping Europe gaining renaissance era.  When the Muslim spread on Europe . They help build the country unlike Mongol .

Prove it's not wrong. Stop using opinions and actually prove it. Go ahead, try. Please. You can do it, you got this.

The religion is far from perfect with it's hateful verses that seems to be a common theme with all abrahamic religions, they use the power of fear to subdue people to conforming to an indoctrinated way of life that I believe is incompatible with a modern, equal, highly advanced, respectful, democratic society.





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