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Replicant said:
Shiken said:

One of my main reasons for going with the XSX over PS5 at the start of the gen is having BC with all three of MS other generations, among other things.

Not complete BC though but I guess you are aware of that?

XSX has BC with:
All XB1 games (except Kinect games)
~25% of Xbox 360 games
41 original Xbox games

Still better than PS5 BC but far from complete.

Better is subjective. Someone crunched the numbers and the PS4 games alone out number XB, XB1, and XB360 combined.

That's before factoring in other games.  I think there are several PS2 games that are BC as well. And maybe even PS1? I'm not sure since I don't keep up with BC very well.



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Bandorr said:
Replicant said:

Not complete BC though but I guess you are aware of that?

XSX has BC with:
All XB1 games (except Kinect games)
~25% of Xbox 360 games
41 original Xbox games

Still better than PS5 BC but far from complete.

Better is subjective. Someone crunched the numbers and the PS4 games alone out number XB, XB1, and XB360 combined.

That's before factoring in other games.  I think there are several PS2 games that are BC as well. And maybe even PS1? I'm not sure since I don't keep up with BC very well.

Bold: Oh, really? I didn't know that.



Replicant said:
Shiken said:

One of my main reasons for going with the XSX over PS5 at the start of the gen is having BC with all three of MS other generations, among other things.

Not complete BC though but I guess you are aware of that?

XSX has BC with:
All XB1 games (except Kinect games)
~25% of Xbox 360 games
41 original Xbox games

Still better than PS5 BC but far from complete.

Unlike Sony however, MS is showing initiative to move forward with BC.  Overtime the available library will become closer to complete than a lot of people think.

With the PS5 however, what you see is what you get outside of potential streaming qith PSNow.  And that is a far cry from being able to run the games natively on the console, or use your old disc to claim ownership.



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Replicant said:
Bandorr said:

Better is subjective. Someone crunched the numbers and the PS4 games alone out number XB, XB1, and XB360 combined.

That's before factoring in other games.  I think there are several PS2 games that are BC as well. And maybe even PS1? I'm not sure since I don't keep up with BC very well.

Bold: Oh, really? I didn't know that.

I haven't seen their work so I have to believe in them as a person but yeah. Let's be clear I meant as far as BC goes.  Like there aren't too many XB BC games etc.

Based on their post/numbers/research:

If you total the BC games of the original xbox, xbox 360, and XB1 games the total was less than the PS4 games (assuming only 10 of them are not eligible).

The number of assumed BC titles for XB is around

  • 564 xbox 360 games
  • 39 original xbox games
  • and around 2594 XB1 games (I think they included kinect games as well)

So if you total those up and compare it to a PS4 list (minus 10) the Playstation should come out ahead. Assuming the numbers are accurate etc.

I also don't know if the PS5 literally has no BC with any digital PS1/2/3 games.

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Bandorr said:
Replicant said:

Not complete BC though but I guess you are aware of that?

XSX has BC with:
All XB1 games (except Kinect games)
~25% of Xbox 360 games
41 original Xbox games

Still better than PS5 BC but far from complete.

Better is subjective. Someone crunched the numbers and the PS4 games alone out number XB, XB1, and XB360 combined.

That's before factoring in other games.  I think there are several PS2 games that are BC as well. And maybe even PS1? I'm not sure since I don't keep up with BC very well.

There are no PS2 BC games.  You can buy digital versions, but in no way can you put your PS2 disc into your PS5 and play the game.  You have to re buy it, and therefore is not BC.  With the XSX however, every BC game will allow you to play without rebuying if you have your old disc.  When it comes to actual BC, MS is destroying Sony in that department.

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Shiken said:
Replicant said:

Not complete BC though but I guess you are aware of that?

XSX has BC with:
All XB1 games (except Kinect games)
~25% of Xbox 360 games
41 original Xbox games

Still better than PS5 BC but far from complete.

Unlike Sony however, MS is showing initiative to move forward with BC.  Overtime the available library will become closer to complete than a lot of people think.

With the PS5 however, what you see is what you get outside of potential streaming qith PSNow.  And that is a far cry from being able to run the games natively on the console, or use your old disc to claim ownership.

Oh, I'm not saying otherwise. It just sounded like you thought it had BC with 3 generations of games.

I've seen other people get disappointed about that. But no risk of that if you already knew. 👍



Shiken said:
Bandorr said:

Better is subjective. Someone crunched the numbers and the PS4 games alone out number XB, XB1, and XB360 combined.

That's before factoring in other games.  I think there are several PS2 games that are BC as well. And maybe even PS1? I'm not sure since I don't keep up with BC very well.

There are no PS2 BC games.  You can buy digital versions, but in no way can you put your PS2 disc into your PS5 and play the game.  You have to re buy it, and therefore is not BC.  With the XSX/S however, every BC game will allow you to play without rebuying if you have your old disc.

An odd argument to say the least. Playing a ps2 game on a PS4 isn't backwards compatible.. because it is digital?

What do you call playing older generation on new generation consoles that are digital if you are gate-keeping the phrase backwards compatible?



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Bandorr said:
Shiken said:

There are no PS2 BC games.  You can buy digital versions, but in no way can you put your PS2 disc into your PS5 and play the game.  You have to re buy it, and therefore is not BC.  With the XSX/S however, every BC game will allow you to play without rebuying if you have your old disc.

An odd argument to say the least. Playing a ps2 game on a PS4 isn't backwards compatible.. because it is digital?

What do you call playing older generation on new generation consoles that are digital if you are gate-keeping the phrase backwards compatible?

Very simple, I would have to REBUY that game digitally to play it instead of just popping my disk in and playing.  You cannot put a PS2 game into your PS4 and play it, so it is not BC.

You are basically being forced to rebuy emulated ports of games you already have.  By your logic, one can say the Switch is BC with the Wii, GC, and N64 because Super Mario 3D Allstars is just a compilation of emulated ports that we have to rebuy.

So again, there is no BC on the PS4, and only PS4 BC on the PS5.  Backwards compatibility and digital ports you have to rebuy are not the same thing, and honestly seems like a desperate attempt at downplay to what MS is doing.



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Shiken said:
Bandorr said:

An odd argument to say the least. Playing a ps2 game on a PS4 isn't backwards compatible.. because it is digital?

What do you call playing older generation on new generation consoles that are digital if you are gate-keeping the phrase backwards compatible?

Very simple, I would have to REBUY that game digitally to play it instead of just popping my disk in and playing.  You cannot put a PS2 game into your PS4 and play it, so it is not BC.

You are basically being forced to rebuy emulated ports of games you already have.  By your logic, one can say the Switch is BC with the Wii, GC, and N64 because Super Mario 3D Allstars is just a compilation of emulated ports that we have to rebuy.

So again, there is no BC on the PS4, and only PS4 BC on the PS5.  Backwards compatibility and digital ports you have to rebuy are not the same thing, and honestly seems like a desperate attempt at downplay to what MS is doing.

"seems like a desperate attempt" yeah I was just thinking those same words...

So if someone buys a PS2 game online. Never owning the disk. And years later they are able to still play that on the PS4. .. That isn't backwards compatible?

Yes "seems like a desperate attempt" is a very accurate description indeed..



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Bandorr said:
Shiken said:

Very simple, I would have to REBUY that game digitally to play it instead of just popping my disk in and playing.  You cannot put a PS2 game into your PS4 and play it, so it is not BC.

You are basically being forced to rebuy emulated ports of games you already have.  By your logic, one can say the Switch is BC with the Wii, GC, and N64 because Super Mario 3D Allstars is just a compilation of emulated ports that we have to rebuy.

So again, there is no BC on the PS4, and only PS4 BC on the PS5.  Backwards compatibility and digital ports you have to rebuy are not the same thing, and honestly seems like a desperate attempt at downplay to what MS is doing.

"seems like a desperate attempt" yeah I was just thinking those same words...

So if someone buys a PS2 game online. Never owning the disk. And years later they are able to still play that on the PS4. .. That isn't backwards compatible?

Yes "seems like a desperate attempt" is a very accurate description indeed..

In the case of that, I suppose it would be fair to say the PS5 has limited DIGITAL BC, while XSX has FULL BC for the games supported.  I do not buy many digital games, so for me the PS4 has zero BC.  At the end of the day, MS approach is objectively superior overall as it caters to a much larger number of consumers.

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